Bring it on!

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Nige, Jun 19, 2009.

  1. Nige

    Nige Guest

    Nige, Jun 19, 2009
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  2. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Nige
    A great deal of time and money will be spent, and no prosecutions will
    result.

    Great.

    --
    Wicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest"

    I have already made the greatest contribution to the fight against climate
    change that I can make: I have decided not to breed. Now quit bugging me and
    go and talk to the Catholics.
     
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Jun 19, 2009
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  3. Nige

    Alex Ferrier Guest

    <hopeful>
    Pitch forks and torches?
    </hopeful>
     
    Alex Ferrier, Jun 19, 2009
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    Dave Emerson Guest


    Wooden stakes and silver bullets...
     
    Dave Emerson, Jun 19, 2009
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    Geo Guest

    Geo, Jun 19, 2009
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    Pip Guest

    I agree - but they won't, because if they do, they lose their
    "entitlement" to the 'parachute payment', initially worth about £30k and
    with bolstering expenses and resettlement claims, up to about £80k.
    Golden Goodbyes for the self-confessed over-claimers.
     
    Pip, Jun 20, 2009
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    ogden Guest

    Have a look and find out...

    2nd home allowance: £0
    London Supplement: £2,812
    Office: £7,735
    Staffing: £93,501
    Central stationery: £1,185
    Stationery & postage: £3,918
    IT provision: £1,193
    Staff cover: £0
    Communcations: £9,671
    Travel: £1,136
    Total: £121,151

    Full (albeit censored) receipts:

    http://mpsallowances.parliament.uk/mpslordsandoffices/hocallowances/allo
    wances-by-mp/keith-hill/Keith_Hill_0708_IEP.pdf
     
    ogden, Jun 20, 2009
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    wessie Guest

    £93,501 is for staff - he didn't claim anything for a 2nd home.
    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/keith_hill/streatham#expenses
    He's 65 years old. He announced his retirement on May 2007
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Hill_(politician)
     
    wessie, Jun 20, 2009
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    Andy Bonwick Guest

    How many people do you think you will be able to employ on a £90k
    budget?

    I'm assuming that he runs a 'drop in centre' that has to be staffed
    for at least a couple of hours each day then he'll need a secretary
    and a couple of researchers to be able to answer questions without
    just guessing.

    Given the amount IT contractors can earn he's paying his staff shit.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Jun 20, 2009
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    wessie Guest

    your comment seemed to imply his expenses are unreasonable due to his
    proximity to Westminster. Bonwick has provided the rest of my answer.
     
    wessie, Jun 20, 2009
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    Adrian Guest

    <waves> Mine did. £20k last year, despite living TWO WHOLE MINUTES walk
    from a tube station which is 40 min and one (cross-the-platform) change
    to Westminster.
     
    Adrian, Jun 20, 2009
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    Andy Bonwick Guest

    Let us know when he's broken the law.

    I want to see the ones who've made illegal claims sacked and then
    banged up for fraud but it's the rules that need changing when it
    comes to the greedy bastards making claims that are legal but not
    justifiable.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Jun 20, 2009
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    wessie Guest

    I wouldn't want a 40 minute tube journey to some ghastly suburb, after
    spending the day consuming subsidised food & beverages inbetween my naps in
    committee rooms and walks through the division lobbies. A little pied-à-
    terre in Millbank would be essential to ensure efficient representation of
    one's constituents.
     
    wessie, Jun 20, 2009
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    Andy Bonwick Guest

    I've re-read my post a couple of times and even applying ROT13 doesn't
    make it say that.

    The use of the words "greedy bastards" and "legal but not
    justifiable" shouldn't suggest that I think it's ok.
    Yeah, right.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Jun 21, 2009
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    ginge Guest

    Given it's London I'm guessing two full timers and a couple of part
    timers, which probably isn't unreasonable for dealing with several
    hundred thousand constituents.
     
    ginge, Jun 21, 2009
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    Gyp Guest

    Remebering also that it's the cost of emplying them, not just what their
    salary is.
     
    Gyp, Jun 21, 2009
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    Andy Bonwick Guest

    So let's say £30k per annum wages? Not a great salary if you're
    working and living in central London or working and commuting into
    central London.

    Not to worry, the MP in question was obviously taking the piss by
    paying such a high wage for fictitious staff doing a non-existant job.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Jun 21, 2009
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  18. Don't be absurd. A loaded labour rate is more than the salary paid,
    with employer's contributions, etc. I don't know the UK percentages,
    but in the US the loaded rate is 150% of salary paid. So, 90k would
    get you two people on 30k/year. Or one full-timer and two part-time.
     
    vulgarandmischevious, Jun 21, 2009
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  19. Ding.
    This whole thing is a nonsense anyway. There have been a few who took
    the piss royally, but the majority didn't afaics. Problem was, it was an
    honour system and some representatives were sadly lacking in that.

    Whatever. My view is that if someone is elected MP or to any other
    public office, they should not be out of pocket at all. This includes
    second flats near their place of (public) work, but after their time in
    the job they shouldn't have used taxpayers' money to turn a profit on
    the property. They should get paid all and every expense incurred, no
    more, no less.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Jun 22, 2009
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    Adrian Guest

    <points to "tube station">

    Trains run regularly from before 6am until past midnight.
     
    Adrian, Jun 22, 2009
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