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Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Jim, May 10, 2010.

  1. Jim

    prawn Guest

    *ding* *ding*
     
    prawn, May 10, 2010
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  2. Jim

    ogden Guest

    Our political system is based on conflict. This is the first time since
    the war that the main parliamentary parties have had to sit down and
    negotiate with each other on a broad basis and they're simply not used
    to it.

    One problem we have is that there are three significant parties
    involved. It means the two big boys are fighting over the attentions of
    the the popular girl from the year below. It's like a divorcing couple
    fighting over the affections of the family dog - he waves Winalot, she
    offers sausages, what the dog wants is a juicy steak.
     
    ogden, May 10, 2010
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    wessie Guest

    It's the Scots who have all of the banks that like that sort of thing. Cash
    only deals over here.
     
    wessie, May 10, 2010
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  4. Jim

    ogden Guest

    Suck it up.
     
    ogden, May 10, 2010
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  5. Jim

    ogden Guest

    Con: 36%
    Lab: 29%
    Lib: 23%

    Remind me, which one isn't the minority?
     
    ogden, May 10, 2010
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    zymurgy Guest

    Your analogies are growing on me.

    Well done, Centurion.

    Paul.
     
    zymurgy, May 10, 2010
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    Krusty Guest

    I don't think either are bad things. What I /do/ think is bad is that
    the Tories got more votes from us than any other party, & the polls
    yesterday show that more people want Tory/Lib than Lab/Lib, yet what we
    (eventually) get comes down to whether one man puts his own wants
    first, or those of the electorate.

    A system that allows that is pretty fucked up afaic. It's more like a
    dictatorship than a democracy. And yes, I would say the same thing if
    the figures were in Labour's favour rather than the Tories.
     
    Krusty, May 10, 2010
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    ogden Guest

    I'd be astonished if the LDs tried to *force* PR on the electorate. A
    referendum is a gamble, one I'm sure they'd rather not take, but they're
    called the Liberal Democrats, not the Dictatorial Autocrats. If it
    happens, it'll be by democratic process.
     
    ogden, May 10, 2010
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  9. Jim

    Krusty Guest

    I might have to argue that point in a day or two...
    Let's hope it does happen. Can't see it being anything other than a
    large majority in favour.
     
    Krusty, May 10, 2010
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  10. Jim

    ogden Guest


    They're fighting for what they believe in. They're fighting for people
    to have the opportunity to choose to fix a broken system.

    If you want to accuse a party of obstructing a deal to suit their own
    interests, accuse the Tories. They're the ones blocking a referendum on
    PR and if they made that concession - a concession that gives people a
    choice at their own expense - we might have a stable government
    tomorrow.
     
    ogden, May 10, 2010
    #30
  11. They're *all* cunts.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, May 10, 2010
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  12. Wicked Uncle Nigel, May 10, 2010
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  13. Jim

    ogden Guest

    What, has something happened in the last half hour or so?
     
    ogden, May 10, 2010
    #33
  14. Jim

    Krusty Guest

    Electoral reform, yes. But not PR. Big difference.
     
    Krusty, May 10, 2010
    #34
  15. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ

    'LATEST:Lib-Lab coalition would be 'disastrous' for the country - former
    Labour home secretary John Reid'

    Bring it on! If John Reid thinks it's a bad idea, I'm all for it.
    Whatever it is.
     
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, May 10, 2010
    #35
  16. True reform will be every country within the union gets its own
    parliament
     
    steve robinson, May 10, 2010
    #36
  17. Whatever flavour they pick one things for sure were the poor fuckers
    thats going to foot the bill
     
    steve robinson, May 10, 2010
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  18. Jim

    ogden Guest

    It's not PR in anyone's book. It's a basic variation on FPTP and can
    actually give an even more distorted result.

    Spent 10 minutes on the Electoral Reform Society's web site. They have a
    section that briefly describes the various systems with pros and cons.
     
    ogden, May 10, 2010
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  19. Jim

    ogden Guest

    You've got a real bee in your bonnet about this, haven't you?
     
    ogden, May 10, 2010
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  20. Jim

    malc Guest

    But if it works for the Germans and New Zealand and so on why not here? You
    still haven't explained why.

    "Proportional representation voting (PR) is the main rival to
    plurality-majority voting. Among advanced western democracies it has become
    the predominant voting system. For instance, in Western Europe, 21 of 28
    countries use proportional representation, including Austria, Belgium,
    Cyprus, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Luxembourg, Malta, the
    Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland."
    From
    http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/polit/damy/BeginnningReading/PRsystems.htm

    OK Greece and Portugal may not be the best examples to use but the rest
    aren't doing too badly.


    --
    Malc

    Rusted and ropy.
    Dog-eared old copy.
    Vintage and classic,
    or just plain Jurassic:
    all words to describe me.
     
    malc, May 10, 2010
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