Brunstrom is a twat

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Steve Firth, Apr 27, 2007.


  1. Your earlier comment, and mine, made no reference to speed. You just
    said "somewhere to have 'fun'". I have fun on my little Honda 125, top
    speed 60.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Apr 30, 2007
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  2. Steve Firth

    Rich B Guest

    From what we know of the accident, it was little to do with excess speed.
    The bike failed to see a car in a hidden dip and hit it head-on (one of them
    must have been overtaking). The biker was doing, according to reports,
    95mph. Let's assume the car was within the limit at 50mph. That gives a
    closing speed of 145mph - enough to kill the biker in a grisly manner. Say
    the biker was also well within the limit - 50 again, a nice modest speed.
    Closing speed 100mph. Survivable? I doubt it. The accident was caused by
    his faulty observation and/or reckless attitude to overtaking - the speed
    merely made sure he was more dead than he otherwise might have been. The
    decapitation was an additional detail that made the image shocking and
    newsworthy, but had nothing whatever to do with the cause of the accident.

    I overtook a line of cars while out on a run this weekend at exactly the
    same speed, on the same kind of road, as the dead biker. The fact I am
    alive today and he is not is because I correctly observed that I could carry
    out the manoeuvre safely, not because I am a slowcoach.

    You are assuming that accidents involving high speed are necessarily
    accidents caused by high speed. This is bad logic.
     
    Rich B, Apr 30, 2007
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  3. Steve Firth

    SteveH Guest

    Towing a plastic shed 50 miles down the road to spend a week in a field
    isn't 'life'....
     
    SteveH, Apr 30, 2007
  4. Steve Firth

    Rich B Guest

    No.
     
    Rich B, Apr 30, 2007
  5. Few things (like putting a loaded gun against your forehead and pulling
    the trigger and so on) are 'intrinsically dangerous'. I reckon that
    biking is just a lot less forgiving of cock-ups, than is car driving.
    But the riding itself isn't dangerous _per se_.

    IMO, of course.

    D.
     
    des_just_passing_through, Apr 30, 2007
  6. Steve Firth

    Rich B Guest

    Nothing succeeds like a toothless budgie.
     
    Rich B, Apr 30, 2007
  7. Steve Firth

    Brimstone Guest

    Surely you mean that only one journalist has shown himself to be a twat by
    betraying a confidence. Or are you so naive that you really do think
    Brunstrom is the only one who shows journos this kind of material?
     
    Brimstone, Apr 30, 2007
  8. Steve Firth

    DR Guest

    If I did not have an accident, it was safe to do whatever I did.
     
    DR, Apr 30, 2007
  9. I've been shown it.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Apr 30, 2007
  10. Steve Firth

    Lozzo Guest

    Keith G says...
    "Ma ho"

    --
    Lozzo
    Triumph Daytona 955i SE (Black with added black bits)
    Suzuki GSX-R750L trackbike (Shite with added shite bits)
    Yamaha SR250 Cheasy-Rider (undergoing a transformation)
    I ride way too fast to worry about cholestorol.
     
    Lozzo, Apr 30, 2007
  11. Steve Firth

    Steve Firth Guest

    Why then were police officers confiscating cameras from members of the
    public who photographed the scene of a fatal accident recently? Surely
    the photographs the public took were their copyright, the cameras were
    their private property, the accident occured in a public place.

    Are you now condemning the police officers who took it upon themselves
    to act outside the law?
     
    Steve Firth, Apr 30, 2007
  12. Steve Firth

    Lozzo Guest

    SteveH says...
    It's not often I agree with you, Steve, but on this occasion I'll openly
    admit you're 100% on the button.

    --
    Lozzo
    Triumph Daytona 955i SE (Black with added black bits)
    Suzuki GSX-R750L trackbike (Shite with added shite bits)
    Yamaha SR250 Cheasy-Rider (undergoing a transformation)
    I ride way too fast to worry about cholestorol.
     
    Lozzo, Apr 30, 2007
  13. Steve Firth

    ogden Guest

    ogden, Apr 30, 2007
  14. Steve Firth

    Steve Firth Guest

    OOooh no.

    There's also the (now ex) CC of North Yorkshire as well.
     
    Steve Firth, Apr 30, 2007
  15. Steve Firth

    Steve Firth Guest

    What confidence would that be Brim? Brunstrom has not stated that the
    meeting was subject to any reporting restrictions.
     
    Steve Firth, Apr 30, 2007
  16. Steve Firth

    Steve Firth Guest

    Not even that, if the safety is on.
     
    Steve Firth, Apr 30, 2007
  17. Steve Firth

    Steve Firth Guest

    No it isn't.

    Yes it does.
    Yes I do, but I don't have the rosy glow about fuckwit journalists that
    you do.

    Yes, I could get a press officer to slap a D-notice on a journalist. Yes
    I can negotiate an embargo with a jounalist. Yes, I hold off-the-record
    briefings with a journalist believing that the carrot of more to come
    and the stick of being cut off from further briefings will prevent the
    journalist from disclosing information.

    But once one has talked to a journalist the door is open and there's
    nothign short of assassination will stop the bastard publishing if he
    wants to. And that's how anyone, other than a complete moron, will treat
    any journalist - as an open door.

    One of my former colleagues made the mistake of briefing a journalist
    off-record. The subsequent mess is still echoing, with of course all the
    journalists involved trying to wash their hands of their involvement.

    Go on, give me your take on how things are different. Instead of mincing
    around like a fairy in a pink tutu.
     
    Steve Firth, Apr 30, 2007
  18. Steve Firth

    Steve Firth Guest

    It's life, Jim, but not as we know it.
     
    Steve Firth, Apr 30, 2007
  19. Steve Firth

    Rich B Guest

    Or the Tibetan proverb: better to live one day as a tiger than a thousand
    years as a sheep.
     
    Rich B, Apr 30, 2007
  20. OK, you want to know why your original statement:

    "Like you have no doubt that showing a photograph to a journalist means
    that he will not report what he has seen?"

    can be taken as bollocks?

    When the journalist concerned knows he'll have his arse sued for
    defamation, to hell and beyond, for millions.

    <Dusts off hands, wanders off>

    Thanks for playing.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Apr 30, 2007
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