Brunstrom is a twat

Well as it was a head-on, and there is no comment about the driving of the
other driver, one can only assume that he was on the wrong side of the road.
Either he was overtaking or forgot what country he was in.

Uno-Hoo!

 

Uno-Hoo! (Uno-Hoo@NOSPAMbigfootdotcom) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying :

Not at all.

ITYF that "dangerous driving" or "careless driving" are regularly roundly
condemned on uk.r.d

I'm sure that you, somebody who claims to be a former senior police traffic
officer, don't need reminding of the definitions of those...

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/section9/chapter_b.html

# A person drives dangerously when:
#
# The way he drives falls far below what would be expected of a competent
# and careful driver
#
# AND
#
# It would be obvious to a competent and careful driver that driving in
# that way would be dangerous.

# Careless driving - the law
#
# This offence is committed when the accused's driving falls below the
# standard expected of a reasonable, prudent and competent driver in all
# the circumstances of the case.

Both of these are, of course, far more serious offences than mere exceeding
a speed limit. Both of these, of course, can be - and regularly are -
committed at speeds *below* the limit. Often *way* below.

In other words, they're *very different* to "speeding".

Trying to claim that they're the same as speeding, indistinguishable, and
that speeding is somehow either the more serious offence or automatically
the same difference is malicious spin at best, and may even be viewed as
downright lying.

Which are you, Kev? A liar, or maliciously spinning? Why? To try to excuse
your own incompetence?

 

What question was that? If you think a comment from some fool, who clearly
regards dangerous driving as of no consequence, as deserving of a response,
then you surprise me.

Uno-Hoo!

 

Uno-Hoo! (Uno-Hoo@NOSPAMbigfootdotcom) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying :

No, Kev, it's how we view *you*, personally.
We can distinguish between various factors. I know that's a bit of a black
art to you, but not to the rest of the human race.

And yet you completely fail to understand that the fact that the people
involved in these collisions might perhaps have fucked up in some
fundamentally more serious way than merely letting the needle rise a little
high for a number-onna-stick...

 

Uno-Hoo! (Uno-Hoo@NOSPAMbigfootdotcom) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying :

*ding*

Now, was excess speed his most serious cockup? No.

So why on earth are you pretending *speeding* was the cause?

 

Ahh how sweet. The naivety is almost childlike.

 

I agree - but I was right and he was wrong and he now accepts that. He is 62
years old and his life has effectively ended. I tried to warn him about the
consequences of his heavy smoking and, as was his right, he ignored me.
Now, he desparately wishes that he had listened to me (and his wife who also
went on at him). The problem is that some people just don't know what's
good for them. Do you see something wrong in attempting to give people good
advice?

I don't accept that last statement at all. I've dealt with a fair number of
accidents where car drivers have lost their lives following collisions with
bikes - or even just swerving off the road to avoid running over a biker
sliding along the road surface. That is my main gripe about so many bikers -
they just don't seem to give a toss about anyone but themselves.

Uno-Hoo!

 

I think he'd be very upset to hear you calling him that...........

Uno-Hoo!

 

It may be - but the fact that it is fun does not reduce the risk you are
causing to other road users does it?

Uno-Hoo!

 

Remind me of what this has to do with recreational driving or
motorcycles?

 

In what way are they different to other people undertaking any activity?

 

Uh huh, where did you get that last item of information from?

 

Local TV here recently showed a clip of two uniformed policemen and an
unspecified number of plainclothes policemen attempting to arrest a car
driver. They were using Airwaves radio to communicate and the radio was
clearly audible in the clip.

"He's got a Honda Prelude... it looks like shit."

"He looks like shit too."

"Can you give us a description?"

"Yeh, he's sort of got a fucking shitty cap and a fucking shitty shirt,
looks like shit. His cars got all that shit on it, shit exhaust it's all
like shite he's a fucking shit."


And so on.

I was a bit gobsmacked. I've bene involved in the roll out of Airwaves
and it's an offence to swear over the air, the calls are all recorded
and can be replayed instantly in the control room and radio procedure
should be a tad more professional than that.

 

You might like to ponder (and don't worry - you can look that word up
in the dictionary if needs be) on the meaning of the words "cultural
differences".

Like not showing bare feet in Thailand..

Phil

 

Are you incapable of rational thought?

Phil

 

I don't care whether you accept it or not - it happens to be true. How
many times in motorbike crashes is an 'innocent' third party injured?

Now give me the same figure for cars.

And how many of those car drivers have been the ones who pulled out in
front of the bikes? I've lost two friends in bike crashes - both doing
under the speed limit and both victims of people who pulled out in
front of them.

Unlike car drivers who are of course the very model of courtesy and
consideration for other road users. Which is why there are so few
accidents and so few teenagers killed in car crashes.

Phil.

 

Steve Firth (%steve%@malloc.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

But were they *right*?

 

That's because he only had chin-shen tyres available.

 

Can't be any worse than listening to you say "I told you so" all the time.

 

You seem to do a lot of that.