BSDAG - Playing in snow with sidecar

Discussion in 'Classic Motorcycles' started by sean_q, Nov 25, 2010.

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    sean_q Guest

    (Big silly dumb-ass grin) -- it's -2 C and snowing hard
    (2" so far) and the Dnepr didn't want to start. So I went
    online and got a clue - chokes on, tickle the carbs,
    ignition off - kick it over 6 times to prime the motor -
    ignition on, kick - FRACK! Sputt... silence.

    Repeat the above 5 times -- motor finally coughs into life.
    Warm it up while steam rises all about it from various bits
    getting hot... then I take it around the RV park, waving
    at girls shoveling snow and trying to impress them by
    spinning yoowwies and 360's on the slippery roads.

    Life sure has its fun moments.

    SQ
    Vancouver, BC, Canada
     
    sean_q, Nov 25, 2010
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    Pip Luscher Guest

    Chokes *and* ticklers, now there's a belt & braces approach.
     
    Pip Luscher, Nov 25, 2010
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    platypus Guest

    With my Dnepr, it was chokes and ticklers, ignition on, started first
    or second kick - but I also gave it a tiny amount of throttle,
    slightly more than just taking up slack on the cables, before I kicked
    it, then whacked the throttle open as it caught. This was pretty
    reliable for me.
     
    platypus, Nov 25, 2010
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    sean_q Guest

    Further to my last
    A while after that, when the snow was deeper, I took a test drive
    in a quiet neighborhood with no traffic to try various speeds and
    maneuvers.

    Question is, would my Dnepr, or a 2WD Ural, or for that matter
    any other legal "motorcycle" (which includes trikes) be suitable
    for Greater Vancouver roads in winter and keep up with the pace
    of traffic.

    It would have to perform least as well as a cage (and preferably
    better); ie. stop, turn, accelerate, climb slippery hills, etc
    in all conditions.

    Prelim conclusion: Either the bike or my skill level isn't up to it.
    Above ~40 kph (24 mph) the bike wouldn't steer in today's conditions
    (3" of damp, but not slushy snow). * I'd turn the front wheel and
    the bike would just skid instead of turning. Stopping was also
    a problem. Sometimes I would have to drift the bike around sideways
    and skid to a stop.

    Of course the steering response is asymmetrical -- turning right
    (towards the sidecar) is easier than turning left. It's easy
    to spin a 360 turning right; the bike seems to swing itself
    around the chair as if it was square dancing.

    I read that the Ural/sidecar combo is popular up north and is used
    in winter. However, Arctic snow conditions aren't necessarily
    the same has down here by the 49th and the bike's performance here
    is what counts (I'm not planning any winter bike tours in the Arctic,
    not even Edmonton.)

    Anyway I'm planning more testing. Next step is to invite some of
    the above mentioned girls to take a ride in the chair (for research
    purposes, of course).

    * I don't have 25 different words for types of snow like the Innuit do.

    SQ
     
    sean_q, Nov 26, 2010
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    Ivan D. Reid Guest

    Well, I know a Suzuki Katana 650 doesn't do too well, as I
    had to take mine down to Vancouver Suzuki one day to have a 2nd-gear
    problem fixed. "Had to" as in I was flying to Oz later and they were
    to fix the bike while I was away. But, we had several inches of snow
    overnight... Somehow I managed to get from West Point Grey down
    onto W 4th OK, but then I had problems with traffic. The cars
    wouldn't give me enough space in the slushy snow, and the high
    compression of the 650 meant that whenever I had to close the
    throttle the back wheel would skid. I made it, but bathed in
    perspiration by the time I got there.

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    Ivan D. Reid, Nov 26, 2010
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    Tim Guest

    Has sir got studded tyres?

    I have warned my friends in Vancouver to keep an eye out for you :)
     
    Tim, Nov 26, 2010
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    Rusty Hinge Guest

    Allegedly, and as I understand, not.
     
    Rusty Hinge, Nov 26, 2010
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    A.Clews Guest

    Thus spake platypus () unto the assembled multitudes:
    I seem to recall I used the same procedure with my BSA C15, which had an Amal
    Monobloc carb with a tickler, but no choke. Still worked though, starting on
    first or second kick, waking up all the neighbours as it did so with its
    stubby little megaphone! Happy days...
     
    A.Clews, Nov 27, 2010
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