Budget Tyres

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by sweller, Dec 6, 2003.

  1. sweller

    sweller Guest

    As part of the prove you're a spaz and make room in the workshop
    initiative I'm putting one of my part stripped, non running, 150cc spares
    machines on the road. Possibly for foreign climes.

    I have set a budget of £100. This will cover new tyres, MOT, tax,
    original purchase cost, a battery and whatever bits it needs. So less
    what I paid for it I have £85 to spend. By my reckoning leaves about £8
    for parts...

    Sooo, I need cheap, but not shitty, tyres. Of the budget makes what are
    the better ones? Remakes of older Michelin, Continentals and the like.
    Prices, availability, avoids etc..?

    The required sizes are F: 2.75-18 R: 3.00-18
    sweller, Dec 6, 2003
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  2. Kenda are OK. Cheng Shins OK in the dry.

    Anything else cheap is pretty crappy. As a rough rule of thumb, the
    longer the name runs round the sidewall, the lower the quality. So
    anything with a name like Grand High Speed Super World Sports Tour De
    Luxe Racing Mark Two is to be avoided.
    The Older Gentleman, Dec 6, 2003
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  3. sweller

    Lozzo Guest

    The Older Gentleman said....
    Wot he said, but personally I'd go with the Cheng Shins.

    Lozzo : Old enough to know Champ
    ZZR1100D, GPZ500S, CB250RS x3
    BOTAFOT#57/70a, BOTAFOF#57, two#49, MIB#22, TCP#7, BONY#9,
    BotToS#8, GP#2, SBS#10, SH#3, DFV#14.
    Url for ukrm newbies : http://www.ukrm.net/faq/ukrmscbt.html
    http://www.glfuk.com/ for MJK Leathers in the UK.
    Lozzo, Dec 6, 2003
  4. The Older Gentleman wrote
    False economy IMHO.

    I know I know but nevertheless it is.
    Where dry means more than two years since rain last fell in measurable

    Cheng Shins are utter crap. Dunno about the others.

    Avon's ain't that dear are they and they still enjoy a reasonable
    reputation right?
    steve auvache, Dec 6, 2003
  5. sweller

    Lozzo Guest

    steve auvache said....
    Must have been a while since you bought new Cheng Shins, they're OK now.
    The Maxxis (Cheng Shin) Barracudas I have on my Honda are excellent
    tyres in the wet or dry. At 78 quid a pair and fitted with new tubes,
    I'd recommend them to anyone.
    Lozzo, Dec 6, 2003
  6. Lozzo wrote
    Nobody ever buys new Cheng Shins more than once. There is no
    opportunity, the kin things never wear out.

    Mind you that is hardly surprising considering they are made of pure
    Teflon and where there is no friction there is no wear.

    Last tyres I bought were BT45's.
    steve auvache, Dec 6, 2003
  7. sweller

    Lozzo Guest

    steve auvache said....
    I rate these Maxxis Barracudas as equal to the BT45s I've championed for
    so long, and imo they are better in the wet. BT45s aren't available in
    sizes to fit alot of older light/middleweight bikes, the sizes tend to
    be geared more towards newer sizings. The Barracudas fill a gap in the
    market for bikes like RD250/350/400 AC and LC, CB250/N/G5/K4/RS,
    KH/Z250/400, GS/GSX250/400/425 etc etc
    Lozzo, Dec 6, 2003
  8. sweller

    Vince Guest

    Madness. Cheng Shins are lethal in the wet.

    Can't suggest an alternative cos I've not tried them, however Vee
    Rubber seems to be a possibility. What're they like in the wet Loz?



    ZX9R, CBR250
    Ex-SKoGA#3, YTC#13
    BONY#47, SBS#22, BOTAFOF#26, BOTAFOT#102, MRO#23.

    "Vince: more repulsive than Ginge"
    Vince, Dec 9, 2003
  9. sweller

    Timo Geusch Guest

    Vince was seen penning the following ode to ... whatever:
    How do you know, did you try them recently? Didn't know you could get
    Internet access up there.

    TBH, AFAIR Lozzo has had them on several bikes; if he rates them
    higher than BT45s then I'm inclined to believe him.
    Why suggest something that you didn't try yourself? I know, this
    hasn't stopped anyone here before...
    Timo Geusch, Dec 9, 2003
  10. sweller

    deadmail Guest

    It was the Barracuda he rated higher than the BT45 (and yes, I know this
    is made by Cheng Shin)
    Why??? well for one thing it gives you something to type and for another
    it makes you sound informed. You rather blow it when you admit to it
    deadmail, Dec 9, 2003
  11. Timo Geusch wrote
    I been thinking about this and the only Cheng Skins I have ridden on,
    which are lethal in the fucking dry never mind the wet, have been
    factory originals nearly as old as my vinyl collection. I have not been
    on any new ones.

    Still biased agin 'em mind.
    steve auvache, Dec 9, 2003
  12. sweller

    Lozzo Guest

    Vince said....
    Listen, twat who's never tried them, the bloke is looking for cheapo
    tyres, none of them will grip like 010s or Azaro 3s in either wet or dry

    However, the Cheng Shins were good enough for me to lose Steve H and
    Phil Cave on a botafot in pouring rain. Nowadays they are alot better
    than their previous reputation would have you believe. I liked them so
    much, I bought another pair for the CB250RS and I'm no slower in the wet
    as I am in the dry.

    I wouldn't touch Vee Rubber with a bargepole, wet or dry. Of all the
    budget tyres the Cheng Shins are the best value for money and grip
    better than their rivals.
    Lozzo, Dec 9, 2003
  13. sweller

    Lozzo Guest

    steve auvache said....
    I admit that Cheng Shins of a few years ago were lethal tyres, but they
    have invested millions in tyre technology and rubber compounds since
    then. Cheng Shin produce something like 5 million tyres a week at their
    factories, 80% of all new scooters sold in the UK are fitted with Cheng
    Shin or Maxxis tyres, Cheng Shin sell more tyres worldwide than any
    other manufacturer. Du Pont have also invested millions with Cheng Shin
    over the past few years. This is far more than any other budget tyre
    manufacturer can say about their products.
    You ought to try the later ones like the Hi-Max or Barracuda, they are
    very good tyres.
    Lozzo, Dec 9, 2003
  14. sweller

    Lozzo Guest

    Timo Geusch said....
    I was talking about the Maxxis (Cheng Shin) Barracudas I had fitted to
    the CB250RS, before those I had a budget, commuter style, ribbed Cheng
    Shin on the front, which was actually a good tyre for the money. There
    was a Metzeler ME77 on the rear which was less grippy than the new
    Maxxis, especially in the wet, and didn't last anywhere near as long as
    I'd have hoped.
    Lozzo, Dec 9, 2003
  15. Lozzo wrote
    Given that tyre technology seems to be about the fastest developing bit
    of bikes at the moment I think I will be looking at the whole of the
    market when next I have to buy them.
    steve auvache, Dec 9, 2003
  16. sweller

    Vince Guest

    Had them. About 10 years ago on a DTsomething-or-other. They were fine
    in the dry but slung me into a hedge in the wet.
    Furry muff, that's what I was looking for.



    ZX9R, CBR250
    Ex-SKoGA#3, YTC#13
    BONY#47, SBS#22, BOTAFOF#26, BOTAFOT#102, MRO#23.

    "Vince: more repulsive than Ginge"
    Vince, Dec 10, 2003
  17. sweller

    Lozzo Guest

    Vince said....
    No, *you* slung the bike into the hedge, the tyres possibly contributed.

    Having watched you ride 10 years later and with more experience, you
    must have been *really* *totally* and *absolutely* fucking shit back
    then, so I wouldn't blame the tyres if I were you.
    Lozzo, Dec 10, 2003
  18. One of my two "accidents", and the [some] near-misses where
    I've taken a corner too quickly etc. have all been my fault.
    Rider error. Not the bike's fault, not the tyres. Mine.

    Blaming the bike/rear shock/road is just passing the buck,

    (And the other accident could/would have been avoided by
    someone with more experience.)
    William Grainger, Dec 10, 2003
  19. sweller

    Ben Blaney Guest

    Ben Blaney, Dec 10, 2003
  20. Maybe. I've never crashed on it though, so couldn't say...
    William Grainger, Dec 10, 2003
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