Buying a bike: Age shall not weary them, or shall it?

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by GB, Dec 10, 2003.

  1. GB

    GB Guest

    Shopping for a first bike at the moment. Having looked at a
    whole bunch of stuff, ZZR250 is the type that has worked
    it's way to the top of my list. (Had some brief interest
    in GPX, but they *all* look like shit, and they've *all*
    been dropped. CBR doesn't fit me, Across is jinxed and
    therefore not an option.. ZZR floated to the top)

    (FTR, I'm 75Kg, 5'10" tall, male, over 30, just got
    NSW R-Learner license).

    Prime candidate right now is a Blue/Silver 02/2001 model
    ZZR250 with approx 1,600Km on the clock. The bike is
    absolutely spotless, not a mark on it anywhere, and as
    clean as a bought one. Fairings, mufflers, levers, all the
    bits that touch roads when they're dropped, show no signs
    of ever having been near a road. Dealer wants $7000. It's
    obviously not worth that many money (a new one is $7950
    before haggising(!!) ), so I'd be squeezing hard on that

    Alternative is a Silver/White 2002 model, 16,000Km on
    the clock, haven't had a chance to have as close a look
    at that one, but it's a thousand bucks cheaper before

    There are *lots* of others about, all between $4,000 and
    $6,000 with anywhere between 15,000Km and 45,000Km on

    My question without notice to the Minister(s) for buying
    bikes is this: Does age weary them? If so, how much so?
    Should I buy the young bike because it is young, or is
    16,000-20,000Km insignificant in the grand scheme of

    Any other traps for young players while I'm asking?

    Thanks in advance,

    GB, Dec 10, 2003
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  2. GB

    John Littler Guest

    No 10-40,000K is neither here nor there.

    The reality is care and maintenance is probably way more important - if they've
    been regularly serviced and looked after a ZZR should happily do a 100000K
    before any major work is needed (quite possibly more - ask BT) I certainly know
    of several GPXs (same engine) with 60 and 70,000 K on the original engine.

    The real danger is that being learners bikes they tend to change hands a lot,
    and are far more prone to having been abused through ignorance. Look for service
    records and evidence of care taken.

    I'd take a 40,000K ZZR with full service history and one owner over a 15,000K
    example with no history and 3 owners. ceteris paribus.

    John Littler, Dec 10, 2003
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  3. GB

    GB Guest

    OK, will do. With <2000Km on the clock, it's *probably* only had
    one owner - that's gotta be a good start. Otherwise, what you
    say re history, etc.

    GB, Dec 10, 2003
  4. GB

    Nev.. Guest

    Don't make BTH come over there...

    '03 ZX12R
    '02 CBR1100XX
    Nev.., Dec 10, 2003
  5. I'd also tend to say your not going to have this bike for long. And have
    you also seen the list of ther bikes over 250cc that you can ride?.
    I done my learner time over 2 learner bikes... one was a 1981 GSX250 and
    the other a...19?? Honda VT250. They were old, had lots of k's. But to me
    they were beautiful. Im now on a fully faired ZX9R, and can honestly say id
    hate to drop it if i were still a learner...(equivelent being ZX2A), as the
    repair costs would be phenominal.
    If i were you id go a bit older (cheaper).... Then once your done with
    it you can sell it with, hopefully, a lesser loss due to depreciation.

    Josh - ZX9R

    OK, will do. With <2000Km on the clock, it's *probably* only had
    one owner - that's gotta be a good start. Otherwise, what you
    say re history, etc.

    DoinitSideways, Dec 10, 2003
  6. GB

    John Littler Guest

    My answer was more aimed at your other question - is mileage a problem. For that
    particular bike ask for proof it got it's 1000Km service (that's the one where
    after it's run in you change the oil), DONT ask the question until you've pulled
    the dipstick out and checked what the oil looks like. It should be very fresh
    ('cos it's only had a couple of hundred kms use). If they produce docs that say
    it has yet the oil is quite black then you're getting snowed.

    For a bike that is 2 years old and with only 2000Km on the clock assuming
    (they're genuine) you'd be pretty unlucky to have any problems, it's spent a lot
    of time sitting in the garage...tyres may have gone hard and need changing.

    John Littler, Dec 10, 2003
  7. GB

    GB Guest

    I'm a bit of a hoarder. So long as I have room in the shed
    for whatever supersedes it, I'm likely to keep it forever.
    I'm like that.
    I have. It was all a bit too hard, so I just took the easy
    route and looked at 250cc bikes. I came out of the pre-learner
    classes competant, but not confident, and so I don't really
    wanna push my luck with anything large, heavy, or even
    particularly powerful (ACK that all the 'big' LAM bikes are so
    'cos they're not powerful). I've been offered a long-term loan
    of an RG250 at no charge, but I think it would only take a week
    for that bike to kill me! I'll be happy to toddle around on
    something small for a few months, build some confidence on
    something that isn't likely to kill me, and upgrade it to
    something bigger (like a mid-range non-LAM bike) in 4-6
    months time.

    GB, Dec 10, 2003
  8. GB

    John Littler Guest

    In that case buy something older that's done it's depreciating, and don't buy
    from a dealer, you're paying a premium for the 3 months warranty.

    John Littler, Dec 11, 2003
  9. GB

    Johnnie5 Guest

    the RG250 is quite a good easy bike to ride and doesnt have the 2 stroke
    like the later RGV250

    another option is the GS500 which would be a bike that you could easily hang
    forever or what about the VTR250/Spada
    Johnnie5, Dec 11, 2003
  10. GB

    BT Humble Guest

    *choke!* *splutter!*

    Well, he's got me there. ;-)
    Couldn't have put it better myself!

    BT Humble, Dec 11, 2003
  11. GB

    BT Humble Guest

    118,000km so far (bought at 43,000km), still running quite well and

    I think general condition will be a good indicator of how well it's
    been looked after. If they've gone to the trouble of keeping the
    chain properly tensioned, adjusting the tappets and replacing the fork
    oil then chances are good that the rest of the bike is OK.

    Whatever it's age when you get it, I'd recommend immediately changing
    the oil and filter, and then changing the oil at 3,000km intervals
    with a new filter every 6,000km. The engine only holds 2 litres, and
    it working pretty hard. Cheap SF grade 20W50 Valvoline has
    (obviously) worked out pretty well for me so far, I'm hoping The
    Jackal will make it to 100,000 miles. ;-)

    BT Humble, Dec 11, 2003
  12. GB

    GB Guest

    Hint: It's not *really* an RG250, it just says that on
    the rego label and the compliance plate. ;-)
    RGV250 is one of the 5 or 6 bikes on the non-learner legal
    list, presumably for that very reason :)
    Tried. Too big/heavy for me. Need something little first.

    Tried. Too tall :-/

    GB, Dec 11, 2003
  13. GB

    GB Guest

    Point taken. As it happens, a worthless little cocksucking
    salesdroid wanker (I'm trying to be polite here) at Sydney
    City Motorcycles in Lane Cove cured me of buying from
    dealers this afternoon. I won't be making that mistake

    Poofter heard the key words "learner legal" and "first
    bike", thought "Wooo! Cash Cow!!!" and proceeded to try
    to sell me a three year old bike for $450 less than the
    brand-new/drive-away price of the current model.

    Wasn't in the slightest bit interested in talking to me
    about the 6 or 8 other suitable motorcycles that they
    have in stock in the other store - that would have required
    effort on his part. He had the cash cow in his sights, and
    the only thing he was interested in selling was the one
    he had right there.

    (I wanted to buy a bike from the shop around the corner
    from home to avoid becoming an inexperienced rider on an
    unfamiliar bike driving through the city and across
    the bridge. Despite that they ship bikes between stores on
    their own truck every day, salesdroid wasn't at all
    interested in that proposal)

    Sydney City Motorcycles have lost me for life now. Damn
    shame really, 'cos they're quite literally just around the
    corner from home. It could have been a wonderful thing!

    **** 'em. No more dealers.


    Thanks. I feel better now! *sigh*

    GB, Dec 11, 2003
  14. GB

    John Littler Guest

    Surprise me ! You and half of Sydney have had a bad experience with SCM- LC's
    sales droids - they cured me of buying an SP2 I was determined to buy, bought an
    R1 instead. FWIW the southern SCM at Kogarah are OK. It's just the Lane Cove
    store that are complete idiots. The sort of store that refuses to talk to you
    when you ride up (on a TRX and a Bandit - ie not terribly expensive bikes), but
    are all over you like a rash when you drive up (in the first instance in a Jag
    which was worth barely more than the TRX.... fair enough the Audi is a bit
    dearer) is probably not staffed by bike enthusiasts.....
    Look on the bright side - you worked out what idiots they are BEFORE you parted
    with money.
    They're not all bad. Although I'm hard pressed to name one who isn't :)
    Northside have only screwed me once, and done the right thing by me a large
    number of times, so I go there for preference - on the other hand BigIain is not
    <ahem> shall we say ummm, a fan ?

    Seriously though, if you genuinely only plan on keeping it 6 months (and I think
    it's a good plan) buy a 2nd hand dunger, get it inspected to make sure it isn't
    too unsafe and then go buy a nice shiny one when you know what you want and like

    John Littler, Dec 11, 2003
  15. Yep, in fact I'd suggest the owner of Northside came from the very same
    gene pool as the aforementioned salesdroid...

    big (not, as he says, a fan...)
    Iain Chalmers, Dec 12, 2003
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