Can Cycles Filter?

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by John Smith, Oct 25, 2005.

  1. John Smith

    John Smith Guest

    Are push-bikes allowed to filter?
     
    John Smith, Oct 25, 2005
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  2. When there are perfectly good gutters reserved for their use? I should
    fucking cocoa.[1]


    Soy.
    [1] I have no idea what that means.
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    Soylent Green, Oct 25, 2005
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  3. Soylent Green wrote
    "I should cocoa (or coco) - I should say so. British rhyming slang" from
    some online quote dictionary. Sounds like so much bollox to me.
     
    steve auvache, Oct 25, 2005
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  4. John Smith

    flash Guest

    And what might they be?
     
    flash, Oct 25, 2005
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  5. John Smith

    John Smith Guest

    I dont mean undertake in purpose cycle lanes but I mean, are they
    covered by the same filtering laws as motorbikes. I cycle a fair bit
    because town is always gridlocked and its the fastest form of transport
    .... but when I weave through stationary traffic I sometimes get abuse
    and was wondering if I'm in the right or in the wrong?
     
    John Smith, Oct 25, 2005
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  6. John Smith

    flash Guest

    Holy shit!
     
    flash, Oct 25, 2005
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  7. John Smith

    John Smith Guest

    Was told on my course that bikes are allowed to filter, legally, through
    "no overtake lines", cycle lanes, bus lanes, road hatchings to protect
    traffic turning into a minor road, etc etc. Was told that the only lane
    you are NOT allowed to use is the hard shoulder.

    Wondered if that applied to push bikes too.
     
    John Smith, Oct 25, 2005
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  8. John Smith

    John Smith Guest

    I take it from your exclamation that the instructor may have his facts
    wrong!?
     
    John Smith, Oct 25, 2005
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  9. John Smith

    flash Guest

    Ask for a refund and spend the money on a copy of the highway code.
     
    flash, Oct 25, 2005
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  10. John Smith

    Ace Guest

    There are no laws at all specifically governing filtering. Some of the
    examples you give, though, will have you nicked for Careless/reckless
    straight off and others for lesser offences.
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    Ace, Oct 25, 2005
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  11. John Smith

    John Smith Guest

    Well I'm glad I asked now, might save me some points when I get my bike!

    Ta.
     
    John Smith, Oct 25, 2005
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  12. John Smith

    gazzafield Guest



    You think?!
     
    gazzafield, Oct 25, 2005
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  13. John Smith

    Skip Guest

    Crikey

    I'd have a read of the Highway Code & Road Traffic Act a bit sharpish like if I
    were you! You're likely to need a lot of dosh for fines.

    Most bus lanes can't be used by motorbikes. A happy little £100 fine awaits you
    in Greater London.[1] Most buses have front and rear cameras to catch
    transgressors, and TfL are quite manic about sending out the fines.

    Some parts of the country do allow it, but you have to check the signs first.

    Cycle lanes are also just that. For cycles of the un-motorised variety. Fines
    await. You can also be done for entering the cycle box at traffic lights.

    No overtaking means precisely that, matters not if you're doing it on a
    motorbike rather than a car. It would be a rare day for the Police to do you
    for it if you were filtering, but you still run the risk.

    Cross hatchings depends if they're surrounded by a solid or broken white line as
    to how frowned upon it would be to use them to overtake, and as a general rule
    of thumb I would be very wary of them. If the traffic is that heavy that you're
    bimbling past a line of traffic towards a ghost island, that's usually the point
    where a bored car driver will pull a quick turn.. without looking or using his
    indicators.

    Please take note that these are things you *could* get done for, but like
    speeding etc, it's really down to you if you want to run the risk. You must
    follow your own path, Grasshopper.

    [1] Apart from the A41 going through St John's Wood. where they allow
    motorbikes. [2]

    [2] The GLA are looking at allowing motorbikes in all bus lanes across the
    Capital, a move supported by the Met on safety grounds.
     
    Skip, Oct 25, 2005
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  14. Skip wrote
    I also but not for legal reasons. Often they are avoided by traffic and
    thus marbles of all shapes sizes and degrees of sharpness tend to
    collect there. Usually not a good place to be if you need to do any
    life saving input with anything approaching a degree of enthusiasm.
     
    steve auvache, Oct 25, 2005
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  15. John Smith

    John Smith Guest

    Well I wont be getting my bike till '06 now.. the DAS set me back a
    wedge and I'm a bit poor at the moment (in English: I'm going skiing in
    December).

    Least I know now! I do have the Police Rider Handbook (A.K.A. The Bible)
    by Roadcraft and the Motorcyle Handbook published by the DSA. But
    haven't, so far, delved past the first few chapters of the handbook.
    Lots to learn!

    Only so much you can learn though WITHOUT a bike :-(

    (snip excellent summation of grey areas concerning filtering).

    John
     
    John Smith, Oct 25, 2005
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  16. John Smith

    Switters Guest

    There are no such things as "no overtake lines". A solid white line means
    that you cannot cross it except to pass a slow moving vehicle (something
    like 15mph). If the vehicle pulls to the left and there's plenty of room,
    then you may pass when safe to do so.

    Of course, that doesn't stop drivers passing cyclists even when the
    cyclist is doing 30mph. Oh no.
    Push bikes are not permitted on the motorway, so the hard shoulder rule is
    irrelevant, whatever it may be.
     
    Switters, Oct 25, 2005
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  17. The court can take the bicycle off him, just for being a ****. [1]

    Yay. At last, a sensible use of justice.

    [1] I recall hearing of a case in Coatbridge Sheriff Court, where the
    defendant was accused of being drunk in charge of a bicycle time after
    time and being a menace on the road. Court effectively banned him from
    riding his bike for a few months by ordering the bike to be impounded
    and prohibiting him from cycling until the Sheriff thought he was a bit
    more sober in his habits.

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    Grimly Curmudgeon, Oct 25, 2005
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  18. John Smith

    Ben Guest

    On a push bike you must obey exactly the same rules as a motor
    vehicle.
     
    Ben, Oct 25, 2005
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  19. John Smith

    MikeH Guest

    They'd fail me for emissions just now then.
     
    MikeH, Oct 25, 2005
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  20. John Smith

    Eiron Guest

    There is nothing illegal about drink cycling.
     
    Eiron, Oct 25, 2005
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