Car vs Bike

Forgive me if this has been posted before...

I've often wondered whether a tuned V8 could beat a tuned 1200 in a lap
of the Nurburging...

Problem solved...

 

Bugger. "NurburgRing"

Otherwise it's a false step into an old joke...

Q. Do you like Nurburging?
A. I don't know. I've never Nurburged.

nylon.net

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BMW F800S - Gets a 50% on the Rubberneck Index (RI) when standing still.
85% RI with the custom pipes when taking off from the lights.

0% RI from the girlfriend: "When are you going to strip that wallpaper
and do you STILL think it's wise to ride a motorbike?." One marvels at
the ability of women to combine two mutually-exclusive ideas to create a
complete thought.

 

Nice video but <shrug> it doesn't exaclty prove anything much. Most
bikes are faster than most cars. Some cars (ie F1) will be faster than
all bikes but generally an off the shelf sportsbike will beat an off the
shelf sportscar. On the other hand a sports tourer is generally about
line ball with sports cars that are short of the very top end.

I think what this clip DOES prove is that you can make a fat sports
tourer quite quick which AC schnitzer (sp?) seem to have done. Would
love to see BMW release a real sports bike, they can make their cars
hammer, never understood why they weren't willing to take on the japs in
the SBK realm - MV have proved you can sell them at a premium if they've
got the goods.

JL

 

**** Youtube. I'm still shaped back to 64kbps for another three days...

 

Well its only the R and not the S model. The K1200S has a slightly larger
air intake and that gives it a bit more speed so I would suggest the 1200S
would win. As it was the 1200R had one major disadvantage....if the car
nudged the bike then the rider is stuffed whereas the car would have a
slight scratch.

Only way to compare would be on lap times.............

 

My bike is not fat you ^&*(*(^%##. I did a very quick half lap of Bathurst
on the fat beast which could have led to 2 things......splat or locked up
and key thrown away . Anyway it did quite ok for a fat bike

And they have released the K1200S which does quite ok.

 

Compared to a sports bike yes it is. Compared to a tourer or cruiser not
it's not. Hence "sports tourer"

I'm sure you did, hence the sports part of sports tourer - other wise it
would be a Norge (tourer), wouldn't it ?

I'm sure, and I've seen CBR11, Hayabusa and ZX12's do quite respectable
laps of Eastern creek, doesn't change the fact they're porky compared to
a waif like GSXR/ZX10/R1 etc

It's still a sports tourer - sorry. Until it can get below 200Kg its too
porky for this generation. Probably would have been a serious sports
bike in the 90's but it's a decade behind the curve yet.

Doesn't mean I don't like them - first bike BMW has released I seriously
thought about buying.

JL

 

Bullshit...the 1200S is a sports and end of story. Only a fool would call it
a tourer .

 

Poor bastard!
Just be thankful you're not sharing that 64k with a i-tunes mad wife and
daughter on the home network!!

 

I got shaped 20 days into the month. 40GB just ain't enough...

 

40 gigi of porn

geez...you will end up blind

 

Nah, I like bikes better than porn. I'd get myself some female company
if I could convince myself there was a reason I actually needed it...

 

I was waiting for some sheila to go round the outside in a Ford
transit van...

Bill

 

Which is why John didn't call it a tourer, but a "sports tourer". Which
descibes it far more accurately than "sports bike", which as John pointed
out, the current crop of out-and-out sporties make the 1200S well and truly
obsolete and in the sports tourer category.

Cheers,
Dale.

 

Agree whole-heartedly. Side-by-side racing slows both vehicles down as they
give each other room, and as each rider/driver weighs up whether it's safe
to overtake the other at any given point.

Cheers,
Dale.

 

Yeah I noticed on two occasions one of them seemed to "give way" and let
the other through (one each for bike and car) - can't be helping the laptime

JL

 

<shrug> I didn't, I said said sports tourer, same as a hayabusa or
CBR11. Not slow but not a sports bike.

It's an oft argued distinction here on ausmoto. My position is that
sports bike is a rapidly moving bar. To be a sports bike it has to be at
the leading edge of performance ,technology, capability at that time.
It's a bike focussed on performance pretty much to the exclusion of
anything else.

It also means that this year's sports bike can well be next year's
sports tourer if the bar jumps far enough (consider the ZX9R against the
R1 when it was released, or the fact that an early noughties ZX6 becomes
a ZZR600 sports tourer a couple of years and some sticker changes later).

The K12 (S and R) has too many things that don't make it go faster or
perform better on the race track, but do help it to be a better bike in
the real world. Things that nibble away at its performance mostly by
adding weight. Luggage hooks, a real seat that won't kill your butt on
the long haul and pillion seat that accomodates a real person, ABS etc
all make for a better bike... that's slower at the track. Then there's
things like ergonomics - the bars, pegs and screen are setup to be
comfortable, not to maximise top speed.

Then there's the performance compromises, it's only 123kw - R1, GSXRthou
are making that from 200cc less (because the K is tuned for more
torque - makes it better in the real world) and have a dry weight that's
literally 50Kg less (even allowing for the no oil in the forks rubbish,
they're around 170-175Kg dry vs 227Kg(BMW website)) sorry that's too
lardy for a sports bike. The shaft drive may be light by BMW standards,
but it's still 4Kg more of unsprung weight that's slowing you down and
decreasing your rear shock's ability to soak up bumps.

Etc Etc

Great sports tourer by all accounts, not a sports bike. Sorry.

FWIW, my main bike doesn't cut it as a sports bike either, call it a
hooligan bike, a naked or a sports tourer. Whatever. A sports bike it
isn't. I do have one sports bike (in its day) though if released today
it wouldn't cut it either.

JL
'04 X-Raptor #202 (not a sports bike but has no trouble staying with
them on public roads up until go to jail speeds,at a racetrack - no
chance !)
'89 KR1 250 B2 (yup that was a sports bike - of that era - 65Hp and
130Kg - smokin' !)

 

The frontline Yamaha sports-bike in 1983 was the XJ900 (and in 1978 it was
the XS1100)!
I can quite understand BMW not wishing to compete in the World Supers; what
I CAN'T understand is them wanting to compete in MotoGP!!
Do they REALLY think people will buy fragile super-duper-sport BMWs?
[boggle]

 

In aus.motorcycles on Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:07:02 GMT

I'd have thought the frontline Yam sportbike in 1983 was the RD350LC!
The XJ900 was a touring/sport-touring bike then as I recall. The two
strokes were the sportbikes.

Yeah, they raced the Excessive 11 (minus the shaft) but that was a
horsepower thing and cos they could, I think the RD400 was still what
most people thought of as "the" Yam sportbike.

Zebee

 

Well, a win at the Six Hour at Amaroo has to say something about the XS1100.

The RZs came out in 83. As I remember it the XJ900 was the domain of
the waxed cotton jacketed long distance riders and rally goers.

Don;t see what's so hard to believe?

BMW used to do the business of building good solid motorcycles, with
models running for a reasonable time, but they have obviously noticed
that lots of folk don't want bikes that last for ever. They are happy
to have the latest fashion statement and replace it every year or two.

BTW, I think I saw one of those Ducati GP reps, 107 grand price tag.
It _was_ very red.

regards,
CrazyCam