CB250RS question.

Discussion in 'Classic Motorcycles' started by crn, Mar 15, 2009.

  1. crn

    crn Guest

    I know I must be doing something wrong......
    When I collected the CB250RS from the seller he started it and rode it
    up the ramp onto my van. Since then it has not been started, I just
    pushed it into the back garden and started fettling.

    I finally got it all back together today, new battery, new chain sprockets
    clutch lever, choke cable etc.
    The indicator wiring was totally screwed up, fixed thanks to the Haynes
    BOL wiring diagram.

    None of the above should have affected the starting so it should just
    happen.

    What is the technique ?, the kickstart is connected to a fancy decompresser
    thing, not sure how that works. Do I have to hold in the clutch or
    something daft like the GS500 ?.

    It seems I need a step by step idiots guide from a CB250RS owner.
    TIA.
     
    crn, Mar 15, 2009
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  2. crn

    Pip Luscher Guest

    Are you seeing a spark? smell of petrol? petrol on the plug nose? ISTR
    the plug's very easy to get at on these bikes.

    The decompressor cable actuates off a cam on the kicksart shaft. The
    cable runs to a widget in the cylinder head that prevents one of the
    exhaust valves from closing fully.

    On my bike the decompressor cam follower was broken and the cable
    seized: never got round to fixing it.

    The only time my bike refused to start at all was when it suffered a
    CDI box total presence failure: some bastard had nicked it.
     
    Pip Luscher, Mar 15, 2009
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  3. can't see why you'd need a decompressor on a 250 unless you're a
    featherweight.
     
    Austin Shackles, Mar 16, 2009
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  4. crn

    Pip Luscher Guest

    Honda. User-friendly design, at a guess.
     
    Pip Luscher, Mar 16, 2009
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  5. probably designed so that skinny 17-y-o yoofer in days of yore could start
    it. ISTR the 250RS goes back far enough to be in the "250cc learner
    machine" bracket.
     
    Austin Shackles, Mar 17, 2009
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  6. crn

    crn Guest

    Indeed, but it could also make life easier for an old fart with a dodgy hip.
    I will be having another go at figuring it out today.
     
    crn, Mar 17, 2009
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  7. crn

    A.Clews Guest

    Thus spake Austin Shackles () unto the assembled multitudes:
    Hah! Bunch of softies. I used to kick-start my Tiger 650 while still in
    the saddle, if the motor was warm. ;-)
     
    A.Clews, Mar 17, 2009
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  8. crn

    mhall Guest

    Yebbut brit twins are easy to kick over. Try an old 500 single..
    Mark
     
    mhall, Mar 17, 2009
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  9. crn

    Rusty_Hinge Guest

    And I used to kickstart a Big Vin (Lightning internals) without using
    the valve-lifter.

    TAAAW, Triumph Trophy, Clubman's Venom, KTT, etc, and lots of old Ajays
    and Matchboxen...

    And once spent an afternoon jumping on the kickstart of a 990cc AJS
    V-twin (and it didn't fire once...)

    And there's a valvelifter on my RS...
     
    Rusty_Hinge, Mar 17, 2009
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  10. crn

    Rusty_Hinge Guest

    The message
    Go on. Find me one and I'll demonstrate...

    <vox="quaver">
    (I'm seventy next year, you know...)
    </vox>

    Now *YOU* try a P&M Panther 650 single, with dodgy ignition timing...
     
    Rusty_Hinge, Mar 17, 2009
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    platypus Guest

    platypus, Mar 17, 2009
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  12. crn

    Rusty_Hinge Guest

    Very similar, but mine wasn't quite so - er - concours d'elegance as that...

    Mine also had a good deal more oil about its nether regions.
     
    Rusty_Hinge, Mar 18, 2009
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  13. crn

    crn Guest

    SUCCESS - I had managed to loosen a connector while working on the messed
    up indicator wiring. A quick dose of WD40 to clean it up and sparks
    returned. Next task is to take it around to the MOT man.

    Took it for a quick ride, goes surprisingly well for a 250.
     
    crn, Mar 18, 2009
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  14. they always did. it's a pretty good engine, as these things go, in a
    not-too-heavy bike.
     
    Austin Shackles, Mar 19, 2009
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    mhall Guest

    I reckon I could but have never owned a Panther. No problem kicking
    over my '47 500 AJS, though. I wasn't saying it was easy, just that
    kicking over a brit was no big deal when compared to kicking over a
    big brit single!

    I hope I'll still be able to kick them over when I'm 70!

    Mark
     
    mhall, Mar 19, 2009
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    Pete Fisher Guest

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    You should have tried my old mates G85CS. Or my Husky 510 with left hand
    kickstart. Thankfully I never succumbed to Velophilia.

    AOL, but only three of my bikes have no electric start these days.
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    Pete Fisher, Mar 19, 2009
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  17. crn

    Rusty_Hinge Guest

    The message <>
    Velos were a cinch.

    Ease it over tdc on the compression stroke, and give the kickstart a poke.

    The only one I ever had prombles with was the Clumban's Venom. Sometimes
    it went first time, other times I warmed it up with language.
     
    Rusty_Hinge, Mar 19, 2009
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  18. crn

    Pip Luscher Guest

    Yeah, that was my experience. On stock exhaust sound OK too.

    A former GF had the CBX250RS: lovely to ride, quicker than the
    CB250RS, unbelievably frugal but expensive new and, by many accounts,
    fragile.
     
    Pip Luscher, Mar 19, 2009
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  19. crn

    Pip Luscher Guest

    Thinking about this, I can see a reason. I've got a 250 2T 'crosser
    and that takes a pretty hefty boot to start, even though, while being
    kicked over, it won't start compressing until the piston's over
    halfway up the cylinder. I reckon the kickstart lever's quite short
    and it's probably geard up quite high to turn the engine over faster.
     
    Pip Luscher, Mar 19, 2009
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  20. what was the V-twin one? VT250?
     
    Austin Shackles, Mar 19, 2009
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