CBR600 dyno graph

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Lozzo, Jul 22, 2008.

  1. Lozzo

    Lozzo Guest

    I didnt think it was that bad at all, considering it is 10 years old,
    has 34,000 miles on the clock, has been caned to **** on numerous
    trackdays and desperately needs a full service. Honda claimed 100bhp at
    the crank when this model was new, mine still makes 95.13bhp at the
    rear wheel.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/78131584@N00/2692383227/sizes/l/

    There's some cleaning up of the fuel/air mixture needed in the
    midrange, which can be dialled out by dropping the needles down one
    notch and cleaning the K+N air filter that's fitted. The fuel/air ratio
    in the midrange won't improve the overall bhp figure but it will
    improve the driveability and torque available from 6000 upwards.
    Dropping the needles is something I can do when I have it apart in a
    few days to service it. I'm happy enough with that graph though.
     
    Lozzo, Jul 22, 2008
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  2. Lozzo

    Lozzo Guest

    I was told 12:1 across the range is ideal for my bike, yours may be
    different.
     
    Lozzo, Jul 23, 2008
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    ogden Guest

    The stoichometric ratio is going to be pretty similar for all petrol
    engines, surely?
     
    ogden, Jul 23, 2008
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  4. Lozzo

    Lozzo Guest

    I'll ask a very close friend[1], she - yes, she's definitely a she -
    knows everything there is to know about this sort of thing.

    [1] PhD in Mechanical Engineering, she specialises in automotive
    injection systems
     
    Lozzo, Jul 24, 2008
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    ogden Guest

    As I understand it, the ratio is determined by the amount of oxygen
    (from air) needed to fully react with an amount of carbon and hydrogen
    (from petrol) - this is determined by the chemical structure of the fuel
    and so pretty much fixed.

    The problem arises from the fact that the amount of air going in varies
    by throttle position, inlet area, temperature, altitude, speed etc, so
    the tricky bit is setting the right jetting or injection map to throw
    the right amount of fuel in - the stoichometric ratio is a constant but
    you're fighting against the other variables.
     
    ogden, Jul 24, 2008
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  6. Lozzo

    Lozzo Guest

    As I understand it the engine goes suck, squeeze, bang, blow...if it
    doesn't do any of those four things there's a problem. Anything beyond
    that requires someone with a brain to understand.
     
    Lozzo, Jul 24, 2008
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    crn Guest

    This is one of those places where the theory only works out in practice
    with a lot of handwaving. "Lean burn" engines are an attempt to get
    close to the theoretical ideal mixture. Most bike engines need a much
    richer mixture.

    Lots of bad things happen at the lean end of the range so designers always
    err on the rich side.
     
    crn, Jul 24, 2008
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    Adrian Guest

    14.1:1 is the stochiometric ratio which gives the perfect exhaust
    conditions for catalytic converters to do their thing, and that's why
    lambdas are used to keep the air/fuel ratio as close to that as possible
    on catted petrol cars.

    It's not "perfect" for peak power - richer is better for that - or
    "perfect" for peak economy - leaner is better for that.

    If you're mapping a non-catted engine, there's not really an ideal single
    number for all rev/load conditions. It's why mapping tends to be an
    iterative process, to get the drivability spot on, rather than do-it-once-
    and-finished...
     
    Adrian, Jul 24, 2008
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    Pip Luscher Guest

    Yes, but AIUI, as others have said, different engines require
    different mixtures. If you think about it even a single engine will
    need different mixtures for different conditions, such as starting,
    where the fuel may 'de-aerosol' onto the inlet tract & cylinder walls
    when the engine's cold, requiring a richer mixture. Accelerating
    usually requires a richer mixture too.

    I have a vague idea that I read somewhere that my Guzzi richens the
    mixture if it's been left idling too long so as to help cool hot bits.

    It's also possible that engines are run lean at times to reduce
    emissions.
     
    Pip Luscher, Jul 24, 2008
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