cbx500 black smoke

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Technical Discussion' started by Rick Wilmath, Aug 25, 2005.

  1. Rick Wilmath

    Rick Wilmath Guest

    For about 3 weeks after I cleaned the carbs my bike ran great, then ,
    while I was riding, the motor started sputtering and I barrely made
    it home, I tried cleaning out the carbs but it still runs poorly and
    black smoke is coming out of the exhaust.
    Any ideas? Thanks in advance
    Rick
     
    Rick Wilmath, Aug 25, 2005
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  2. Well, maybe some crud from the gas tank made its way down to the float
    valve in the carburetor float bowl and the float valve is stuck, making
    the fuel level too high. Or, a tiny bit of crud on the float valve seat
    will make the fuel level too high.

    When the fuel level is too high, air pressure pushes too much fuel into
    the engine and it can't burn the extra fuel, so you see black smoke.
    (1)

    Also, check your repair manual to see what the float height should be.
    It's a dimension (probably around 15mm) from the bottom of the float to
    the gasket surface (not the gasket) while the carburetor is upside down
    on the bench. So the bottom of the float is actually facing UP while
    you're measuring the level, and the bendable adjusting tang on the
    float is just resting on the float valve pin.

    Or maybe you didn't tighten the idle jet or the main jet enough and it
    fell out and when you remove the float bowl, you may find the jet
    laying there. (2)

    A really nasty possibility to consider is that the rubber diaphragms
    (assuming you have constant vacuum carburetors with big round covers on
    top) are torn. When the diaphragms tear, the engine will idle OK and
    run at low speed, but the vacuum slides don't lift so there is too much
    vacuum in the venturi and the carbs suck too much gas out of the float
    bowls through the idle mixture bypass and up through the needle jet.

    New rubber diaphragms are expen$ive. I'm talking about $90~$100 USD for
    a vacuum slide with a new diapragm. That's bad news for somebody on a
    motorbike budget.

    (1) People talk about "vacuum" as though carburetors somehow *suck*
    gasoline into the venturi. Actually, it's just normal outside air
    pressure *pushing* the gasoline into a lower pressure area in the
    venturi. That lower pressure exists because air has to speed up to pass
    through the smaller area in the throat of the carb...

    (2) The first time I ever tinkered with a motorcycle carb (I don't
    remember why I removed the main jet, maybe it was because I was in a
    Sir Edmund Hillary mood, and It Was There) I didn't get the main jet
    tight enough and it fell out and was laying in the float bowl. Since
    the jet needle restricts flow at all throttle openings below about 3/4
    to full open, I never knew that the main jet was taking a swim in the
    float bowl until I needed full throttle to pass a big truck. He was
    going 55 mph, and I could only go 55 with the engine bogging down on
    excess gasoline. I had to give up the attempt to pass and humbly follow
    the truck for miles and miles...
     
    krusty kritter, Aug 25, 2005
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  3. Rick Wilmath

    Nemo Guest

    Turn off the choke, or make sure it is opening up when you move the choke
    lever/cable to the non choke position. It is running way too rich.

    Ed Cregger
     
    Nemo, Aug 25, 2005
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  4. Rick Wilmath

    MadDogR75 Guest

    Cross your fingers and run a compression check.
    Good luck,
    MadDog
     
    MadDogR75, Aug 26, 2005
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  5. Rick Wilmath

    Nemo Guest


    Black smoke is always gasoline. Blue smoke is oil. White smoke is coolant,
    if liquid cooled. If water cooled, you mistakenly filled your fuel tank with
    kerosene. 8^>

    Ed Cregger
     
    Nemo, Aug 27, 2005
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  6. Rick Wilmath

    Nemo Guest

    In the last sentence, substitute air for water. Doh!

    Ed Cregger
     
    Nemo, Aug 27, 2005
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  7. <VVBG>
     
    The Older Gentleman, Aug 27, 2005
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