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Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by ogden, Mar 30, 2010.

  1. ogden

    Catman Guest

    That's an improvement. On the news last night, they were claiming that
    it was 7 trillion electron volts.

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    Catman, Mar 31, 2010
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  2. An improvement on here at any rate. A discussion on economics involving
    lawyers, actors and radio 'personalities' in a round table situation
    invoked the word 'billion' and none of them were too sure what it really
    meant until the actor chappie piped up it was a hundred million and
    that's the end of it.

    ****'s sake, I mean, ****'s ****'s sake.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Mar 31, 2010
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    ginge Guest

    Bloody Americans devaluing our billions with pesky milliards.
     
    ginge, Mar 31, 2010
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  4. ogden

    Catman Guest

    Bloody hell.

    There really is no excuse.

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    Catman, Mar 31, 2010
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    Pip Luscher Guest

    I'm sure there's a Pratchett reference to be made here, but I'm not
    going to make it, oh no.
     
    Pip Luscher, Mar 31, 2010
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  6. That's right, 20 kA at the time IIRC, so quite a bit of energy
    stored in the coils (E = 0.5 * L * I*I). Super joint -> normal -> melt -> arc
    -> melting of LHe containment -> BOOM!

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    Dr Ivan D. Reid, Apr 1, 2010
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  7. I'm intrigued with the amount of energy after having quite an
    energetic (sic) discussion about energy with a couple of workmates on
    after work drinks tonight. I don't think they quite got my point and
    were talking about Kirlian photography of mobile phones at which point
    I stated cringing a lot.

    But back to your project, I assume you build up a potential then fire
    it off in a very short but very violent burst?

    Kev
     
    Kevin Gleeson, Apr 1, 2010
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  8. " "
     
    doetnietcomputeren, Apr 1, 2010
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  9. The Durex leak thread is down there vvv
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Apr 1, 2010
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  10. Actually, no. If you look at the pages
    http://op-webtools.web.cern.ch/op-webtools/vistar/vistars.php?usr=LHC1 or
    http://op-webtools.web.cern.ch/op-webtools/vistar/vistars.php?usr=LHC3

    you'll see graphs with three quantities varying over time: the blue and the
    red are the number of protons in each beam (currently they are using just
    one "bunch" per beam; this will change), while the black is the current in
    the dipoles ("bending" magnets) which is also proportional to the energy
    in the beams when they are following a perfect circuit.

    The black does a bit of overshooting when they adjust it because
    of hysteresis in the magnets. To get a repeatable fiels in an electromagnet
    for a given current you always have to approach it from "far enough away"
    in a given direction.

    So they set the field to correspond to the injection energy (450 GeV)
    and fire pulses into both beams until they have the desired pattern of
    bunches. The fields and energies match so the pulses keep circulating
    around the ring. Then, as each bunch approaches a certain point in the
    ring, it is given a "kick" by an RF pulse, which increases its energy --
    simultaneously the magnet current is increased so that the higher-energy
    beams still circulate perfectly. They continue doing this, boosting the
    beam energy and "ramping" the magnet current, until the desired energy
    is reached. Then they "flat-top" the magnet currents and stop applying
    RF boosts.

    The final step is to ramp down small magnets near each collision
    point which had been deflecting the beams around each other; the
    bunches now pass through each other in the centre of the experiments.
    A small fraction collide, providing the "events" of particles you may have
    seen in the papers. Since only a small proportion are lost, this is
    essentially a steady-state and each "fill" can last for hours before some
    condition requires that the beam be "dumped" -- they seem to have run for
    about 8 hours on one fill last night. After the beam is spilt, the magnets
    are ramped down to the injection energy again, and the process repeated.

    It's the thousands and millions of RF kicks that boost the beams
    up to their fantastic energies. In theory you could reverse the process and
    bring the beams back down in energy but in practice (and in an emergency!)
    it's better to fire one mofo septum magnet which deflects both beams into
    massive concrete and metal structures to absorb their energy. Ah, we've
    just flat-topped -- this may be the third physics run ever at 3.5+3.5 GeV.

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    Brunel University. Ivan.Reid@[brunel.ac.uk|cern.ch] Room 40-1-B12, CERN
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    Dr Ivan D. Reid, Apr 1, 2010
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  11. **** :)
    This used to be a nice clean monitor.

    Kev
     
    Kevin Gleeson, Apr 1, 2010
    #31
  12. Thanks for that, interesting stuff. I envy you.

    Cheers
    Kev
     
    Kevin Gleeson, Apr 1, 2010
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