Chaytor jailed for 18 months

Quite.

 

It's as a deterrent to others.

Now, if we were talking about a shop-lifting mother, a fee dodging
student, a benefits claimant caught working etc. I'd have sympathy.

But, remember this is a guy was part of the government who were going to
be "purer than pure". Sorry, he and anyone else found guilty must
suffer the full consequences of their actions under the legislature that
they were in part responsible for.

 

I concur.

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Yes and the Italians keep Silvio Burlesconi in power! I think other
places have bigger problems than we do.

The public's weariness with politicians goes back much further than the
"expenses scandal". It just gave the public another opportunity to feel
even more disillusioned with the political process. The politicians
don't seem to have a clue what to do to get engagement back on the
agenda. I rather doubt the media have much interest in having effective
politicians. I think they prefer to have them "under their thumb" so to
speak.

Despicable? That's stretching it somewhat. In effect he nicked some
cash he wasn't entitled to. That is clearly wrong and unacceptable but
despicable?

For some reason I can't get very worked up about all this. I couldn't
get worked up about the whole "expenses" issue other than to find the
antics of the press rather unsavoury but we can hardly be surprised by
that. I just wonder what the News of the Screws has got on senior
members of the Met Police given their repeated reluctance to properly
investigate the (possible) phone tapping issue at that newspaper.

What's an expenses claim? Can't remember the last time I incurred an
expense on LU business that could be claimed back.

Having seen a short "vox pop" clip on the BBC news I rather suspect the
general public would not agree with this. The views being expressed
bordered on wanting Mr Chaytor sent to the gas chambers. You'd think
he'd murdered babies and then eaten them for dinner.

 

I agree. But that's not the point.

Claiming parlimentary privillege.

I was disgusted at the sense of entitlement that they had.

And regarding the phone issue... it's not phone tapping! It's simply
accessing voicemail since many people use obvious pin codes or stick
wiht the default.


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Sure, but I don't see why being on a curfew, tagged, & having to spend
all day cleaning up grafitti or painting pensioner's houses or some
other shitty job would be any less of a deterrent than several months
in a 'soft' prison.

Anyone who believed that should probably be jailed for extreme
gullibility.

 

It's not, actually. Numerous studies have failed to find a single instance
of where the death penalty deterred murder. Eighteen months in the pokey
(which I personally find to be an abhorrently harsh sentence for someone
who stole money) is not going to deter anyone - especially as
statistically, there is still very little chance of being caught.

 

You can get banged up, in theory, for certain offences in the
Environmental Protection Act 1990. I used to find reminding people about
that possibility quite effective in persuading them to modify their
behaviour.

Purer than pure is going a bit far, but if MPs don't set an example who
will - the Church? Oh hang on...


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Nobody, as long as money and/or power are involved.

Heh.

 

And yet only this week, there was a programme on TV about various sites
in London, one, Burligton Arcade had its own Police Force, Beadles, who
are still employed there today as Security staff.
One of the local bye-law/rules was that there can be no whistling in the
arcade.
This was attributed to an upsurge in pickpockets in the 1820's (the
pickpockets worked in multiple, and would make whistles to each other as
warnings, or potential victims). The upsurge in pick-pocketing was
because the death penalty for this Offence had recently been repealed.

Alan.

 

This puts me in mind of Ben Elton and the non-absorbent bogroll: "And
if you keep on going, you end up with a fresh jobby on top of your
head!"

 

Prison as an intangible is no deterrent.

Prison staring you in the face almost certainly makes you think twice.
For a while.

 

Sure, it's a Blair quote from I think 97...

 

No it was not, and you do not possess any evidence that it was.

 

Making them think enough times and for long enough not to have to ever
actually write up a prosecution report was good enough for me.

There were always the odd hard man and the certifiable that it didn't
work with. These MPs might fall in to either, or indeed both camps.

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If the studies are after proof that deterrence is taking place then they
are badly formed studies and should be ignore. If on the other hand they
are studying whether murder rates go up, down or even both then they are
valid.

And of course we are talking about studies that study the criminal and or
the criminally insane and the chances of getting meaningful answers from
them are remote at best.

I think the threat of a death penalty neither increases nor decreases the
chances that society as a whole will go on a casual murdering spree but
may affect individuals within that society in both a positive and negative
manner. How many, for example, merkin murderers do it as a form of
attempted suicide? We will never know and all the so called precious
scientific studies in the world mean their opinions are about as worthy as
mine and mine are a **** sight cheaper.

 

Leave it. For one thing this isn't about death penalties and for
another, the FFW[1] is simply trolling. Leave this shit to aadp.

[1] Faux Front Wheel

 

You _stupid_ ****...

 

The latter defines the former.

There is no evidence that the murder rate goes up or down. Indeed, there
are even studies which indicate that the murder rate goes up after an
execution and that the death penalty is conceivably causing this rise (the
so-called 'brutalization effect'). These are statistically questionable,
however, as well as methodologically flawed.

On the other hand, there are more credible studies which demonstrate that
the murder rates in Canada and Australia dropped when those countries
abolished capital punishment in 1976 and 1985 respectively.

No. The studies done so far have paid very little attention to the
motivations of the individual prisoner, because it is by and large
irrelevant.

There is no evidence to support your hypothesis.

I should imagine very few, as the death penalty in the US is 'hampered' (if
you'll pardon the unfortunate choice of words) by the protections enshrined
in the VIII and XIV Amendments. As such, even in Texas, the time between
conviction and execution is still (last time I looked) of the order of nine
to thirteen years.

A much more efficient way to off yourself if you don't have the balls to do
it is 'suicide by cop'. But of course, those people never enter the
criminal justice system (at least not on 'that' occasion).

We don't have to 'know': no credible study has ever found any benefit of
the death penalty which cannot adequetely be gained using other, non-lethal
means (other than 'saving pro-death penalty people money on Viagra'), logic
and morals demand that it not be imposed.

Quite.

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It'll just about show the great unwashed that thieving off the state is "Not
A Good Thing".

But you're taking jobs off the menial taskers who need the money and even
have pride in their work of bum-wiping / painting / tidying up.