Classic Bie?

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Greybeard, Feb 22, 2011.

  1. Wotcha.
    It's the other way around with me.
    Slow means the bone is still growing when it should have stopped.
    When slow becomes stopped and the bone has matured, then they can go in with
    the angle grinder and remove the excess bone which is causing my lack of
    movement / progress.
    Cheers.
    All being well I should have the last part finished today . . . once I find
    some grub screws, a suitable bit of aluminum and can borrow my mate's lathe
    for a while.
    'Fraid it's a 1991 500 Bullet . . . . well, a 570 slightly modified Bullet
    ;-)
    http://www.moonshiners.org.uk/bullet.htm
     
    ^..^ Lone Wolf, Feb 26, 2011
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  2. Greybeard

    SIRPip Guest

    It would be immeasurably better, then. I've never owned a Guzzi, but
    I've had the pleasure of a few Alfas and the odd FIAT, leading to the
    vast reservoir of amusement that comes from dealing with Moto Magnetti
    and Magneti Marelli. Marelli were responsible for Golden Lodge plugs,
    at the time the most expensive ignition component I'd ever fitted and
    possibly in the world - and one in three was duff out of the box. I
    used to order (and wait two weeks for) six at a time, in the hope of
    getting four good ones.

    Italian wiring looms - the only ones to beat the French for outright
    lunacy: 27 wires in only three basic colours with no trace stripe,
    instead using dots of paint to denote circuit. They only had three
    colours of paint as well, so the grey wire you're looking at could
    supply coil, headlights of wipers, depending on whether it had three,
    four or five orange dots on it. Of course, if one of the dots had
    rubbed off ....
    What? Eh? Oh, when MG = Moto Guzzi. Juxtaposing MG and Marina leads
    to wrong conclusions, see.
     
    SIRPip, Feb 26, 2011
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  3. Greybeard

    Greybeard Guest

    Well that makes for interesting reading!
    It seems you have done all the mods to an Injun model that I was looking
    at.
    If one comes along at silly money I may well invest and mod it up with
    UK bits.

    Having a read of your pages I almost chocked on my Sanatogen wine when I
    see the Old Billy Bigbeard creation. I looked at that a few years ago
    when he was first selling it, for a mate of mine. Great fella Billy! If
    it's the same beast (and it looks it) the mill was a Ford 2000 lump. It
    would start...
    With the aid of a couple minutes spannering and hoiking the waterlogged
    air filter off we got it going. My mate (Ray the Cab) really wanted it
    but wasn't too happy paying what he thought was a high price IIRC around
    £3.5K. He obviously never got it. Do you still have it and what's it
    like nowadays?

    Oh and I'm sure there's a few people around the UKRM manor that are
    pretty adept with an angle grinder that can help you out with bone
    growing problem! :)

    Drop us a line at ukrm<@>foxtails<.>co<.>uk

    Cheers.
     
    Greybeard, Feb 27, 2011
  4. Wotcha.
    Dropped - or at least I think it is :)
     
    ^..^ Lone Wolf, Feb 27, 2011
  5. Greybeard

    Pip Luscher Guest

    I did own one and I can easily justify buying it: it was my first big
    bike, it was being sold by someone I knew and, above all else, it was
    cheap.
     
    Pip Luscher, Feb 28, 2011
  6. I had one, too. It was the last model of the 750, the F, iirc. The G was
    the 850. By the time the F came out all the problems had been sorted,
    but it was too late and subsequent sales of the G suffered accordingly.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Feb 28, 2011
  7. The 850 still occasionally suffered from the middle gearbox failure
    problem, mind.

    I liked the old triples. Huge heavy tanks, but had charm. Very comfy,
    too.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Mar 1, 2011
  8. Greybeard

    Hog Guest

    There was a "fix" IIRC. Someone made an improved gear. Utter PITA to fit of
    course.
    Apart from the gear issue the XS750 was a rather good bike. About the same
    performance as an R100 of the day.
     
    Hog, Mar 1, 2011
  9. Greybeard

    TOG@Toil Guest

    I bought a 400 Four recently from a bod who had the cleanest one I've
    seen in years. We were talking about the gearbox issue. He said that
    second gear use to go on on later bikes, it was possible to replace
    the offending cog via a removable plate. Sounds unlikely to me, but if
    so, then Yamaha had some form of cassette gearbox way before the
    Suzuki RG series.

    I don't think there was any way to fix the middle gearbox other than
    by removing the drive shaft etc. The XS1100 sometimes suffered from
    middle gearbox failure as well, but there are some high-milers out
    there so I suppose it depended on whether it as treated
    sympathetically or not.

    I liked the XS because it felt and sounded 'different', and it handled
    remarkably well for something of that vintage. It weighed a bloody
    ton, though, and the fuel tank was a bit too small. The last F model
    got a five-gallon tank, which they carried on to the 850, and that was
    much more like it.

    I remember mine had a hinged rear mudguard to make getting the back
    wheel out a bit easier, and a sort of wire loop tool to hang the wheel
    on when you were persuading it back onto the splines. Real evidence of
    BMW-like thought.

    And it also had Yamaha's amazing self-cancelling indicators. Why did
    Yamaha ever stop fitting those?
     
    TOG@Toil, Mar 1, 2011
  10. Greybeard

    Krusty Guest

    Post corrected.
     
    Krusty, Mar 1, 2011
  11. Greybeard

    TOG@Toil Guest

    Really? Vinnies had that as well? Stap me. Impressed.
     
    TOG@Toil, Mar 1, 2011
  12. Greybeard

    Krusty Guest

    The hinged rear mudguard, yes. Made it much easier to flip the rear
    wheel round when attaching the sidecar.
     
    Krusty, Mar 1, 2011
  13. The 5gal tank was a handy thing - I got 48mpg no matter how I rode it,
    so could rely on a predictable range.
    Oh yes, I recall those things now.
    Dunno, but one of the GSs has them - they stay on for 150yds or so many
    seconds, iirc.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Mar 1, 2011
  14. Greybeard

    Greybeard Guest

    Yep, got it.
     
    Greybeard, Mar 1, 2011
  15. On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 23:02:18 +0000, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

    [of XS750]
    I had the very early model with the small fuel tank, small headlight,
    integral foot peg hangers, triple points ignition, lowly 7500RPM red line
    and integral subframe rust. When I bought it, 2nd gear wouldn't stay in,
    but it had so much torque that you could actually ride round that. I did
    rebuild the engine to fix that quite early on, though.
     
    PipL alter ego, Mar 1, 2011
  16. I think the disadvantages - a special relay with four pins, a special
    handlebar switch with the 'activate indicators' wire output, the speed
    sensor and the actual electronic gizmo itself all added up to a fairly
    hefty additional parts bill that ISTR meant that the indicators sometimes
    cancelled a fraction too early (such as during a right turn on a big
    roundabout), or you had to cancel them manually anyway in town.
     
    PipL alter ego, Mar 1, 2011
  17. The XS indicators stayed on if the bike was stationary or after a
    distance (or time, not sure which) if it was moving. There was a reed
    switch in (I think) the speedo drive, or maybe the speedometer itself,
    that told the S/C electronics when to inhibit the indicator relay. In
    fact, you could run them with the box of tricks disconnected and the
    indicators would work like a standard manual set. I'm not sure, but I
    think I got fed up and disconnected mine, or maybe the S/C box went tits-
    up. Or maybe it was the relay itself.
     
    PipL alter ego, Mar 1, 2011
  18. I always found they had the time/distance just right.

    My old Kawasaki GT750 (the Ukrm Tart) had them as well, and they tended
    to cancel a bit early, and of course the BMW K11 has them, and they tend
    to cancel a bit late.

    Yamaha had it just right, IMHO. I'm sure you're correct about the cost
    being the inhibiting factor, mind.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Mar 1, 2011
  19. Greybeard

    Lozzo Guest

    150 yards, 10 seconds or until the speedo hit 30mph from a standstill,
    whichever came first. It was triggered by a switch in the speedo and
    the SC unit was prone to failure. As you mentioned, the indicators
    would still function as normal when the SC unit had failed and there
    wasn't any need to remove it.


    --
    Lozzo
    Versys 650 Inter-Continental Hyperbolistic Missile , CBR600F-W racebike
    in the making, TS250C, RD400F (somewhere)
    BMW E46 318iSE (it's a car, not one of those 2-wheeled pieces of shite
    they churn out)
     
    Lozzo, Mar 1, 2011
  20. Aha, the definitive answer.

    Actually, I may be imagining it, but I thought I saw the reed switch in a
    250LC console as well.

    Did LCs have SC indicators?
     
    PipL alter ego, Mar 1, 2011
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