Cold climate oil grades

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by stephen.packer, Jan 16, 2011.

  1. stephen.packer

    sweller Guest

    Mine's magneto and kick start.

    Synth doesn't really work in the Armstrongs - causes all manner of
    problems. The military spec oil for down to -15° is 15/30 high detergent
    mineral.

    For some reason I think anti freeze becomes less efficient if not diluted
    enough - can't remember why, it may be boiling points.

    Got some lock de-icer already.

    Already gaitered but may look at getting some ACF50 - although I a couple
    of gallons of Waxoyl which I tend to sling about quite liberally.

    We have Scottoilers so fucking about in freezing conditions with a bloody
    toothbrush won't be necessary. We're also camping and so I'd like to
    avoid getting covered in engine oil.

    Hooray for aircooled.

    I'll be happy if it starts.
     
    sweller, Jan 16, 2011
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  2. stephen.packer

    Steve Guest

    Not just in Sweden. I remember both Dad and Granddad with similar
    devices on their cars in the '60's - doubled as a heater for the
    greenhouse as well.

    Steve
     
    Steve, Jan 16, 2011
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  3. I have, 200A. Mwahahahaha! The power, the power.

    Will also have jump leads 'just in case' and hope that someone else
    manages to get their bike started.


    Still torn between 10W40 Castrol or 5W40 Motul. Both fully synth.
    Using pre-mixed 'Yamalube' coolant. Rated to -75.

    From memory the freezing point peaks at somewhere and if you increase
    the ratio above this then the freezing point lowers. Addtionally
    there's the question about how 'thick' the fluid is. Still, irrelevant
    for me.
    Have a couple of (small) cans of lock deicer for this.
    Replaced the fork seals this weekend and also put gaitors over them.
    ACF 50'd the exposed forks but not the covered sliders.
    Scottoiler with 'special' oil.
    Am hoping it won't get to -35 degrees. Still my sleeping bag's up to
    this (survival rated at -50) plus my tent should be fine (aluminium
    poles).
    Good job I fitted a mainstand since it didn't come with one as standard.

    Suppose I might have an extra cuppa or something in the five or so
    minutes warm up since I don't smoke.
    It did, thank you.
     
    stephen.packer, Jan 16, 2011
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  4. Speedgazebo MOTP #1, Jan 16, 2011
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  5. stephen.packer

    Lozzo Guest

    200A - **** me. What battery did you get, and are you sure the charging
    system will be able to keep up with it?

    --
    Lozzo
    Versys 650 Inter-Continental Hyperbolistic Missile , CBR600F-W racebike
    in the making, TS250C, RD400F (somewhere)
    BMW E46 318iSE (it's a car, not one of those 2-wheeled pieces of shite
    they churn out)
     
    Lozzo, Jan 16, 2011
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  6. stephen.packer

    sweller Guest

    If there isn't a constant higher than normal current drain on the system
    once it's started the generator should be able to easily 'catch up' and
    recharge the battery.

    We'll be covering a couple of hundred miles a day so it may not get it
    fully charged as quickly as a normal battery after a heavy start but
    it'll have plenty of time to recharge and, importantly, at least it'll
    start in the first place.
     
    sweller, Jan 16, 2011
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  7. stephen.packer

    Mark Olson Guest

    There's really no reason to go much past 50/50 since that gets you to -37C.
    A higher percentage of antifreeze, up to about 60/40, does decrease the
    freezing point and increase the boiling point, but IIRC the downside to
    using higher concentrations is that ethylene glycol doesn't carry heat as
    efficiently as water, although that's unlikely to be a problem when the
    air temperature is well below zero.

    http://www2.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF6/680.html
     
    Mark Olson, Jan 16, 2011
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  8. stephen.packer

    Ace Guest

    Fck off, you spamming ****.
     
    Ace, Jan 16, 2011
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  9. stephen.packer

    Colin Irvine Guest

    Silly sod.
     
    Colin Irvine, Jan 16, 2011
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  10. stephen.packer

    Colin Irvine Guest

    That looks promising. Bookmarked.
     
    Colin Irvine, Jan 16, 2011
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  11. Can you install a second battery, in parallel, in one of the panniers?
     
    The Older Gentleman, Jan 16, 2011
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  12. stephen.packer

    wessie Guest

    it's a bog standard AGM YTX14BS bike battery - you're confusing CCA with
    Ah.

    The CCA is the peak outrush current the battery can deliver. Ah is the
    total capacity of the battery.

    Steve's battery can deliver 200A but not for very long as it will use
    the 12Ah total stored power more quickly.

    The starter motor won't consume any more current from the AGM battery.
    It's just the more efficient chemistry in the AGM battery is likely to
    supply the *required* current at the low ambient temperature. Even if
    Steve runs the battery flat, the alternator will only need to put 12Ah
    back into the battery to get back to full capacity.
     
    wessie, Jan 16, 2011
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  13. stephen.packer

    Mark Olson Guest

    There's no way in hell you'd have block freezing at -15C with a 50/50
    mixture. I know this from many years of living in a place that usually
    makes it close to -35C at least once a year. My guess is that they
    might have made up a 50/50 mixture to pour into the system but there
    was a lot of water in there before hand. If you can't drain the system
    entirely after flushing with clear water, it's best to look up the
    capacity of the system in the owner's handbook, put in half that much
    of pure antifreeze, then top up the remainder with water. Don't ask
    how I know this.
     
    Mark Olson, Jan 16, 2011
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  14. err No, it'a an answer to a question posed here.
     
    Speedgazebo MOTP #1, Jan 16, 2011
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  15. The inside of the battery will be nice and warm, have no fear. The only
    issues you may have are if the battery fluid freezes and I cannot remember
    how cold it has to be to do that but you will be long dead before it
    happens.
     
    steve auvache, Jan 16, 2011
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  16. stephen.packer

    wessie Guest

    I followed the link to see what it costs to do Eurostar Ski to B-St-M
    £160 each way standard
    £235 each way posh

    I suppose if you factor in the cost of the transfer from the nearest
    airport it doesn't seem too bad and certainly more civilised than the
    alternatives.
     
    wessie, Jan 16, 2011
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  17. stephen.packer

    Mark Olson Guest

    Fitting an aftermarket extra-high capacity battery would make more
    sense. But from a little googling, it seems the XT660Z has a very
    dinky sized battery (150x70x105) so your suggestion might have some
    merit. For sure a pair of jump leads and some sort of external
    combustion heat source would be a good idea for the squad to carry.

    I looked up the Hawker Odyssey range but the only thing they have
    that would appear to fit doesn't appear to be significantly better.

    (From yuasabattery.com)

    Yamaha - XT660X,R,Z (EU) 2004-2010 660cc

    Battery Family: Factory Activated, Maintenance Free
    Battery Type: YT9B-BS

    Voltage: 12
    Capacity: 8
    Dimensions: 6" x 2.75" x 4.125"
    Weight: 7.5 lbs.
    Metric Dimensions: 150mm x 70mm x 105mm
    Metric Weight: 3.4 kg
    Polarity:
    Acid Volume: N/A
    Amps: 0.8
    C.C.A.: 115
     
    Mark Olson, Jan 16, 2011
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  18. A Westco AGM one, 12V12B-4. It's still a dinky little 12AH (or 10AH,
    The tayna website mentions both) .

    However the Westco website specs it out as 10AH and 125CCA. And I'd
    guess they're right. Serves me right for relying on data from someone
    selling me something...

    The charging system will, I'm sure, be fine since it hopefully won't
    need to start the engine that often.
     
    stephen.packer, Jan 16, 2011
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  19. Strikes me as a helluva lot, actually, although certainly civilised, as
    you say.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Jan 17, 2011
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  20. stephen.packer

    Andy Bonwick Guest

    I used to go full pikey and use the bus to get to Chamonix with a
    place on the BMC bus being the favourite if it wasn't fully booked.
    There's something very entertaining about going to Chamonix on a bus
    full of climbers getting pissed and discussing who wouldn't be coming
    home.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Jan 17, 2011
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