Colony/Plano biker, Police chase, and accident

Discussion in 'Texas Bikers' started by The Family, Oct 23, 2003.

  1. The Family

    The Family Guest

    Anyone got any details on the 10/23 @ ~03:00 Police chasing
    a biker out of The Colony, into Collin County.

    Biker killed, bike broken into two, or more, pieces. Looked like
    a sportbike on TV, as they were dragging the remains onto the
    flatbed tow.

    Not that this is very important, if you collide with a stationary
    object at high speed, but I've seen 3 sportbike crashes and
    each incident has resulted in at least 1 of the bikes severing
    the front end. I don't mean bending a handlebar or curling
    a fender, I'm saying that the entire front fork, wheel, gauges,
    clamps, et al, were severed from the bikes.

    And some of these accidents were not really at a very high
    speed. Usually, they were collisions while racing, where a
    high speed bike ran into a lower speed bike.

    I know these bikes are built to be lightweight, but this seems
    a little extreme.


    Thanks - Gary



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    Thanks - The Family
     
    The Family, Oct 23, 2003
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  2. The Family

    Bill Walker Guest

    There isn't a bike on the market that will withstand a collision with a
    stationary object at high speed.. If you are looking for strength and
    durability, I suggest, stay away from motorcycles and invest in a
    Sherman..:LOL.. Whether we are in a pickup, car or a bus, anytime we take to
    the streets or highways, we are taking the risk of being involved in some
    sort of accident.. Seems to me that the risk is a little more in our favor,
    if we are competently operating a motorcycle.. We have less protection but
    the ability to evade and escape is more in our favor because of the agility
    and hopefully the skill and reaction of the rider.. I believe statistics
    will bear this theory out by the percentages of motorcycles in accidents
    compared to other vehicles.. So.. my conclusion is that the best way to
    survive an accident is not to be involved in one.. Sorry to hear of the
    tragic accident.. Any death is traumatic.. Make, style and quality of the
    machine is not the cause.. From all reports, that rider was not responsible
    in his operation of the machine..

    Your friend in Irving
    Bill Walker
     
    Bill Walker, Oct 23, 2003
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  3. The Family

    Bill Walker Guest

    Some of us call accidents of this kind, "cleansing the gene pool".. Although
    tragic, this is a prime example of someone operating a motorcycle beyond the
    capabilities of the bike and exceeding his own limitations.. We don't know
    why he was trying to escape from the police.. Gotta be more to this item..

    Your friend in Irving
    Bill Walker
     
    Bill Walker, Oct 23, 2003
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  4. The Family

    fullstate Guest

    No information on the police chase, sorry.

    But - in comment on your bikes being severed.... do you watch much
    racing? I don't mean the illegal, on the street, Hayden wannabee type
    racing. I mean real GP or WSB racing?

    You see those guys wipe out at 150+mph all the time and their bikes
    don't disintegrate. It has more to do with hitting stationary objects
    that are obviously not moving. A good sized street lamp pole will
    even sever a car in half if hit at the right place and the right
    speed.

    I've seen enough bicycles snap in the middle of the frames to frighten
    me more than fearing my bike coming apart on me.



    --Fullstate
     
    fullstate, Oct 23, 2003
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  5. Hmmm...sounds like basic physics to me. Take an object beyond its
    physical capabilities of staying in one piece and its not gonna like
    that.

    Besides, it's never a good idea to run from cops. No reason to make it
    worse for oneself by running and getting killed whether it's their own
    fault by hitting a grass median or whether the cops get bored and decide
    to take that person's ass down. I hope that whatever made this particular
    person run, that it was worth dying over.

    RHSD
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    Red-Haired She-Devil, Oct 23, 2003
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  6. Cleansing the gene pool is fine, but lets face it, kids do stupid
    things.
    I still do stupid things every now and then. I try not to do them on
    a motorcycle.

    How far/long did they chase him?

    From what has been posted here, this wasn't a felony stop. If they
    were able to get the license plate, they should have let him run and
    picked him up some other time. Getting killed is pretty harsh
    punishment for being a dumb-ass. Not calling this the officer's fault
    at all, but this is the type of situation that we have
    pursuit-policies for.
     
    darin Ginther, Oct 23, 2003
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  7. The Family

    Bill Walker Guest

    From the Colony to Plano..
    Not many details on this one, so far..


    Getting killed is pretty harsh
    Yep.. but, we don't know the entire story, so far.. That's is what I alluded
    to in my comment..."Gotta be more to this item"..
     
    Bill Walker, Oct 23, 2003
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  8. The Family

    Bill Walker Guest

    Sheesh.. from Colony to Plano in 3 minutes.. don't sound quite right to me..
    That being the case, he was haulin' ass..
    Doesn't sound much like there was an opportunity for anyone to make many
    decisions.. Like I said earlier, there's gotta be more to this than has been
    reported.. Even the time of 3 AM.. Damn.. from the Colony to Plano in 3
    minutes... whew..
     
    Bill Walker, Oct 23, 2003
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  9. The Family

    The Family Guest

    No, I watch the street racing. I'd watch GP etc., but don't have
    cable because don't watch enough TV to justify. I suppose if I
    had cable, I could watch enough TV to justify, but.....

    Regarding my "bike in two pieces" comment, I guess what I was
    meaning to say was that maybe today's frame material is just not
    strong enough because the concentration is on weight saving.

    I've seen/participated in/ a few MC crashes in my lifetime, and
    never seen the frontends fly off of the bike as I have within the
    last 3 years. Or, should I say, the last 3 years of sportbike crashes.

    I T-boned(luckily) an automobile that ran a signal, and was travel-
    ling about 50MPH. As I said, lucky she didn't T-bone me, but I
    recall the seemed "explosion" when the front wheel of that '73
    Honda 750K3 made contact with that car. But the whole front
    end didn't fly off the bike.

    I guess it's moot whether everything from the head forward remain
    on the bike in the event of a crash. It's usually not like you're going
    to continue your riding that day....

    Anyway, since this is Texas, have a look at this video I found on
    another NG. This is NOT MC related, but I think you'll enjoy.

    http://www.religionisbullshit.com/fartingpreacher2-bb.wmv

    Thanks - Gary

    For Contact :
    lgvwalk att swbell dott net

    Thanks - The Family
     
    The Family, Oct 23, 2003
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  10. It seems that many buyers obsess with light weight, so the makers give
    'em what they want. The aluminum frame is very strong, but once
    deformed, it fails impressively, and catastrophically.

    <soapbox>

    IMO, this demonstrates conclusively the problem with our current
    licensing system. Any 17-year-old with a decent job can purchase a 180-
    mph machine that is typically *far* beyond what he has the judgement to
    control. The aformentioned twentysomething belonged on a Rebel, not a
    sportbike.

    The market has asked for (and the makers have answered with) sportbikes
    with an unbelievable level of performance combined and a price less than
    that of a new econobox. That's a recipe for disaster... not only for the
    rider (which is evolution in action, IMO) but also for anyone in the path
    of the out-of-control projectile.

    (In the automotive world, the serious iron is relatively expensive, which
    serves as a decent (though not perfect) barrier to entry. Most
    twentysomethings can't afford a Ferrari Enzo or even a Corvette.)

    We need a vehicular licensing system in the US that requires a true
    demonstration of competence and experience, and the type of vehicle it
    covers should be based on said experience. Beginners can operate
    beginner bikes (or cars), and that's all.

    Driving is a privilege, not a right. And driving a high-performance
    vehicle should be a privelege restricted to those who show both the level
    of competence and judgement required.

    (P.S. Not far from this are the clueless soccer moms who go from a 3-
    Series BMW to a Ford Excursion when little Joshua arrives. These huge
    trucks present their own challenges that the drivers are often unable to
    meet.)

    </soapbox>

    --
    Albert Nurick


    '97 Honda Pacific Coast
    '93 Honda Helix
    '87 Honda Helix
     
    Albert Nurick, Oct 23, 2003
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  11. (darin Ginther) wrote in
    AFAIK, this bozo was legally an adult. A young and stupid one, but still
    an adult.
    Evolution sucks when you're at the shallow end of the gene pool.
    <shrug> I'm just thankful that this moron didn't hurt anyone else.

    --
    Albert Nurick


    '97 Honda Pacific Coast
    '93 Honda Helix
    '87 Honda Helix
     
    Albert Nurick, Oct 23, 2003
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  12. The Family

    fullstate Guest

    BTW - I forgot to ask if the entire community rioted and starting
    burning each other's houses down. Morons.


    --Fullstate
     
    fullstate, Oct 23, 2003
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  13. The Family

    fullstate Guest

    I'm not saying that you don't have a semi-valid point, but I pretty
    much trust that manufacturers are engineering their bikes to stay
    together within acceptable limits.

    I don't think it is acceptable to expect your bike to stay together
    during a high speed collision with a stationary, or large heavy
    object.



    --Fullstate
     
    fullstate, Oct 23, 2003
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  14. The Family

    fullstate Guest

    The Europeans have a graduated system and I think that it is the right
    way to go about it. It would be tough to do here in the U.S., but I
    think it would save some lives.


    --Fullstate
     
    fullstate, Oct 23, 2003
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  15. The Family

    Waco Guest

    Here is the news item link:
    http://tinyurl.com/s4d3

    There's also a link to the news video broadcast.
     
    Waco, Oct 23, 2003
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  16. The Family

    Bill Walker Guest

    I would appeal to a common sense approach to this discussion.. Obviously,
    none of us know what prompted that idiot to take flight.. I would refer to
    my comment about the "gene pool" .. without any knowledge of right or
    wrong.. Also, like I say.. there is more to this story than has been
    reported, so far.. Let's hear all of it before anyone jumps to conclusions..

    Your friend in Irving
    Bill Walker
     
    Bill Walker, Oct 23, 2003
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  17. The Family

    Darrell Guest

    Details I just saw on the news cast as to what "prompted" him to run-
    1) he was due in court today for a driving on suspended license
    2) FTA warrant on a marijuana charge.

    On other subjects... He was not wearing a helmet - thus earning a Darwin
    nomination from me.

    Darrell
     
    Darrell, Oct 24, 2003
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  18. The Family

    Darrell Guest

    I saw the video from the dash cam in the pursuing police car. This idiot was
    no where near the capabilities of the bike. I'm not even sure he knew how to
    counter steer.

    Darrell
     
    Darrell, Oct 24, 2003
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  19. The Family

    iceman Guest

    iceman, Oct 24, 2003
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  20. The Family

    iceman Guest

    Just so you dont have to register I copied the whole story for you
    IceMan

    Motorcyclist scheduled for court date dies in police chase
    Lawyer says man was to plead guilty to driving on suspended license


    09:06 PM CDT on Thursday, October 23, 2003

    By LESLEY TÉLLEZ / The Dallas Morning News

    A Rowlett man trying to flee police was killed in Plano early Thursday, hours
    before he was scheduled to appear in court for driving with a suspended
    license.

    Timothy Michael Moll, 21, was driving a motorcycle through The Colony when he
    ran a stop sign about 2 a.m., near the intersection of Arbor Hills Boulevard
    and Davidson Street, police said.

    Mr. Moll failed to stop for police and instead led them on a 2 ½-mile chase
    into Plano, The Colony Police Chief Joe Clark said in a written statement. Mr.
    Moll hit a curb near Windhaven and Spring Creek parkways and lost control of
    his vehicle.

    The Colony police officer involved in the chase, Richard Torres, performed CPR
    on Mr. Moll but was not able to revive him, the written statement said. Plano
    Fire Department officials pronounced him dead at the scene. He was not wearing
    a helmet, police said. .

    The Plano Police Department and Collin County medical examiner's office are
    investigating. The Colony police are also conducting an internal
    investigation.

    Mr. Moll's family members declined to comment.

    Mr. Moll's attorneys, however, say their client had been scheduled to appear
    at 9 a.m. in a Dallas County court on a charge of driving with a suspended
    license and a probation violation stemming from a marijuana possession charge
    that occurred last year.

    Mr. Moll was planning to plead guilty and serve a short time in jail, said
    Bret Schmidt, of Dallas-based Linder, Schmidt and Jeffrey. He and Mr. Moll's
    other lawyer, Phillip Linder, said they didn't realize their client had been
    in an accident until after he didn't show up in court.

    "It really surprised me when they said he was running from police, because he
    didn't have any warrants out or anything like that," Mr. Schmidt said. "He was
    coming to court, and we'd already gotten a deal."

    Mr. Schmidt said records show Mr. Moll's license had been suspended three
    times since February 2002.

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