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  1. Nige

    CT Guest

    Your cleaner is VAT registered? Bloody 'ell - these Phillipinos are
    getting well sorted out, aren't they?
     
    CT, Apr 3, 2009
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    ogden Guest

    If I pay 12 quid, I get one who speaks English!
     
    ogden, Apr 3, 2009
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    crn Guest

    So you knew too little about his culture and language to return the
    compliment and call him Mdala.

    Maybe an explanation of a similar scenario would help.
    In the army an old sergeant must salute the young Rupert just out of
    Sandhurst and call him Sir, but woe betide the Rupert who does not respect
    the sergeant and ask for his help and experience.
     
    crn, Apr 3, 2009
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    ogden Guest

    The majority of bokkers I've worked with have been fine with the end of
    apartheid (and, frankly, who wouldn't be?) but generally quite bitter
    about the way the pendulum swung the other way in the aftermath. The
    reason they're over here is because they reckon it's almost impossible
    for anyone white to get a decent job because everything's earmarked for
    the blacks.
     
    ogden, Apr 3, 2009
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  5. Speaking of Sun City - I always remember getting very cynical about
    Eddy Grant (he of the "give me hope Joanna" anti-aparthied song) by
    discovering that he was quite happily playing Sun City at the time..

    Phil
     
    Phil Launchbury, Apr 3, 2009
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    CT Guest

    At least we got Kevin Pietersen out of it.
     
    CT, Apr 3, 2009
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    ogden Guest

    I've discussed this with them in the past and made that point myself,
    only to find that the conversation suddenly turned a lot more heated.

    I've had this from heavily-accented bokkers who love nothing more than a
    good braai and an overladen backpack and even a brit ex-pat who moved
    out there and promptly moved back again (after an extended period of
    commuting back to the UK every week for work!)
     
    ogden, Apr 3, 2009
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  8. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, ogden
    It's a little dangerous to draw too much of a conclusion from the
    opinions of those who got the **** out of Dodge.

    Working there is now an interesting and enlightening experience.

    Particularly in some parts of the finance industry which were totally
    Afrikaans-dominated.
     
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Apr 3, 2009
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    ogden Guest

    I've always said there's nothing quite as interesting and enlightening
    as being carjacked on the way to the office.
     
    ogden, Apr 3, 2009
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  10. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, ogden
    And that's one of the things you hear from people who've left: how
    *dangerous* it is. Those who are still there seem (oddly) to have
    differing opinions.

    Funny, that.
     
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Apr 3, 2009
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    Visitors can still find it perturbing.
     
    Colin Irvine, Apr 3, 2009
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  12. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Bear
    See, that's just odd. I've worked there, and worked closely with a lot
    of people over an extended time (since not long after democracy came to
    town) and that's just not my experience, nor that of those I know.

    Sure, there is violence, but it tends to be in quite specific areas.
    Jo'burg CBD was a very dodgy area for a while, but I understand it's not
    as bad now.

    Look, there are parts of London that make me *much* less comfortable
    than I've ever felt in Jo'burg.

    I discussed this very thing with a friend last time I was down. "Yeah",
    he said "thing is, those who've left want to justify their decision. It
    doesn't do our country any favours".
     
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Apr 3, 2009
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    Jérémy Guest

    I can't claim much experience in SA, but when I visited our office in
    Johannesburg a few years ago I was quite struck by the new technique for
    knocking off security vans, as described in one of the local papers. It
    goes like this:

    1. Pinch a big saloon with lots and lots of airbags (you'll need the
    airbags)
    2. Use the saloon to ram the security truck off a raised section of road
    so it falls on its side (this is why you need the airbags)
    3. Shoot at the exposed underside of the truck (which is less
    bulletproof than the sides and top) with a machine gun until everyone
    inside is dead.
    4. Get the money out (I forget how they did this bit) and go away.

    There was even a photo showing the aftermath, complete with colandered
    floor panels.

    I was also struck by the security briefing when I arrived, at which we
    were informed that everyone would be out of the office by 5pm, as
    someone who stayed to do some work after hours at the World Food
    Programme office across the road had been shot dead by visitors the
    previous week.
     
    Jérémy, Apr 3, 2009
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  14. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Bear
    Uh-huh. Much like any country.
    Yep, and I don't suppose that was spun for dramatic effect at all.
     
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Apr 3, 2009
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    platypus Guest

    If you pay 15 quid, you get one who understands English but does not speak.
     
    platypus, Apr 3, 2009
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    ogden Guest

    For 9 quid I get my previous cleaner's son's 20-ish girlfriend. Who
    cares whether she speaks or not?
     
    ogden, Apr 3, 2009
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    Andy Bonwick Guest

    That's a good excuse for apartheid.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Apr 3, 2009
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    Andy Bonwick Guest

    That's a bit more expansive than my reply to him.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Apr 3, 2009
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    Andy Bonwick Guest

    The SA government had been under pressure from the locals to put a
    stop to the kids of British families who'd emigrated there not having
    to do national service when they'd been educated in the country. In
    principle they were right because employers knew that when you took on
    a school leaver he'd be collared for 2 years NS followed by 10 years
    of annual duty which alternated between 90 days on the border and 30
    days internal security.
    They could hold onto troops doing national service or 90 day rota if
    they felt it was in the best interests of the country.

    Most of the time the troops were somewhere around the Caprivi Strip
    where most cross border (1) incursions took place and they used the
    excuse of 'hot pursuit' if they nipped into Angola for a quick spot of
    live weapons practice. One of my workmates was an armoured car
    commander and he reckoned that one pursuit took them to within about 5
    miles of Luanda and that's not really a very short distance.

    I was flown into Angola for a 6 week job and I've never been so scared
    before or since. This was a helicopter insertion and we were escorted
    by SADF gunships crewed by teenagers who'd just watched Apocalypse
    Now. I think you can imagine the mayhem as they decided to open fire
    on anything looking even slightly dodgy.

    If you do a quick google search on the subject of which languages were
    taught in schools over there in the '70s you see what the response was
    to those that objected to being taught in Afrikaans.

    (1) Look at a map and see where the Strip is and you'll instantly
    notice that it doesn't actually border on SA. In fact it isn't even
    close...
     
    Andy Bonwick, Apr 3, 2009
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    Andy Bonwick Guest

    It always was a dangerous place but the difference now is that the
    dangerous places have spread.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Apr 3, 2009
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