Conflict Resolotion 101 - Rebels style

I'm not pissed off by that decision, I just think it was a knee jerk
reaction to one loony's actions that hasn't created any outcomes that
have helped the country.

I wasn't pissed off even when it happened, I just sort of shook my head
and thought "typical policitican... has to be seen to be doing
something, even when it's obvious that nothing they do can make any
difference to what's happened".

What I was annoyed about wasn't the banning of various types of guns, it
was the total failure to talk about the detail of the legislation with
any person or group who actually knew anything about the issue.

That is to say "how it was done, not that it was done at all".



G-S

 

They're not called fish anymore, they're called "sea kittens".

 

You need a gun to slit their throats? A kitchen knife should suffice
(seriously).

Nev..
'07 XB12X
'08 DL1000K8

 

Obviously, its not appropriate for the government to consult with a mass
murdered when deciding on a framework for legislation and it's difficult
to consult with prospective murderers, so they had to decide what was
best for themselves.

Nev..
'07 XB12X
'08 DL1000K8

 

I was hoping he as trying to invoke Godwin's law, so you'd STFU soon.

 

The acoustics are different in the shed, George.

 

Not heartless. Painfully oblivious, perhaps. SAs laws have nothing
to do with targeting outlaw bikers so much as they are about targeting
anyone who meets an outlaw biker more than five times in 12 months.
The purpose here is painfully obvious. Outlaw bikers are too big,
tough and committed to the principle of "one in, all in" so the cops
want to go after people who _aren't_ outlaw bikers, because, hey, easy
(read unresisting) targets!

Like you, I have no sympathy for outlaw bikers TBH I agree with your
position on the Ulysses guys who want to wear colors and rockers. I
have considerably less sympathy for jackbooted authoritarians going
after people who happen to have friends or acquaintances who are
outlaw bikers in preference to going after people who have actually
done something evil.

As for the laws being tested, spare a thought for the poor sucker who
winds up being the guinea pig. 1 lost job, 6 lawyers, a QC, 1 trial,
3, appeals, a failed marriage, his name and reputation blackened in
the national media and his life savings later he gets acquitted. I
would _really_ like to go with plan 'b' (he or she doesn't get screwed
by jackbooted thugs in pretty uniforms at all and gets to go about his
business never knowing what might have been).

The state has the potential to do far more, and more far reaching
violence to an individual than any outlaw biker gang could ever
manage. For one thing, outlaw biker gangs are a lot easier to avoid.
In fact, they like it that way. Governments? not so much.

 

Let me know when you plan to go hunting feral pigs(1) with a kitchen
knife Nev, I'll bring the cameras.

JL
(we lost at least 3 dogs to feral pigs when I was a kid, I'd bet on them
ahead of a middle aged manwith a kitchen knife)
1 queue "oh but you didn't specify wild pigs, you only said pigs"(2)
2 Yes but anyone with a clue knows you don't need to shoot domestic pigs

 

"Welcome to Jamaica, Have a nice day" ?

JL

 

That works for domesticated ones, not so much on wild ones (both of them
run really quickly), the difference being that rabbits always run away
from you.


G-S

 

"That's no ordinary rabbit..."

 

Why on earth would you want to go hunting feral pigs with a kitchen knife?

Nev..
'07 XB12X
'08 DL1000K8

 

Nice snippage !

JL

 

You preempted something that I wasn't going to say, then I didn't say
it... Snip Snip.

Nev..
'07 XB12X
'08 DL1000K8

 

Are you assuming I don't?

Are you familiar with the concept "not only, but also"?

We all judge.

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Onya bike

Gerry

 

I'll retreat to my position that until I know what they are _actually_
proposing by way of a draft of the proposed legislation, I am not in a
position to frame an objection.

I rely on the legally qualified civil libertarians to go over that
stuff and start blowing whistles based on what is _actually_ being
proposed.


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Onya bike

Gerry

 

They already did in NSW :-|


GB

 

I don't really need the details to know that proposing to make it
illegal to simply associate with someone is not only profoundly
undemocratic but dangerous as hell. Freedom of association is one of
the _really_ important ones.

 

I agree, but until they put that in the draft, you're shadowboxing.
At least that's my attitude.

Feel free to try to scrare them into thinking that the revolution will
start if they put that bit in, but can't see you drumming up much
support among the proletariat until you've got something tangible to
wave around at the barricades.


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Onya bike

Gerry

 

So they couldn't consult with gun manufacturers to find out the
difference between fully-auto, semi-auto, pump-action, lever-action and
bolt-action firing mechanisms so that the legislation wasn't unclear and
ill defined?

And they couldn't consult with farmers, professional hunters, olympic
hopefuls and other legitimate users about how to minimize the disruption
of the changes they were going to introduce?

Look... I'm not saying that if the government really thought they had to
ban semi-automatic weapons that they shouldn't have done that.

I'm just saying that they did it in a way that was wasteful, offensive
and heavy handed (and that wasn't needed to accomplish their stated goals).



G-S