Couple of points

errr I think nev was talking to you

See beloow

Agreed, but it's not hard to find the same info for Australia. Lower
numbers but consistent with the American pattern, which is that females
make more 'suicide' attempts than males, but males succeed much more
often.

 

No, although I'll take the point; he was actually replying to yours:

 

When nev comes back im shure he will tell us his point of view

 

As opposed to just attention-seeking, yes. Anyone who fails at suicide
(except via the most extraordinary circumstance) is just being a wanker.
LC.

 

In aus.motorcycles on Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:48:30 GMT

And there, ladies and gentlemen, is a major reason why depression and
other mental illness goes untreated.

Because idiots pronounce contempt and both make the problem worse, and
harder to deal with.

Feel so proud and mighty and above them all. And pray to whatever god
you recognise that it never happens to you.

Zebee
- who knows *exactly* what leads people to attempt suicide.

 

Zebee, whilst agreeing with the term "mental illness"
I disagree with "depression" and I disagree with the two being put in the
same category,
while a person can be depressed, the term depression is used for a number of
reasons, including failure to address your problems and therefore get
sympathy from well meaning organizations and individuals.
I do not agree with term "stress" either, there is no such thing as stress
when the term is related to mental stability.
It is only a cop-out to gain sympathy and benefits.
People have got off murder charges because "they were depressed at the
time"
Utter bullshit, you never take out your frustrations on some unfortunate
person, adult or child, just because they were in the vicinity at the time.
People who cannot handle their frustrations and physically abuse others,
should be locked up for a long time, not let off with a non-custodial
sentence.
Almost as bad as claiming to be under the influence of drugs when they
smashed a bottle against the face of an innocent bystander to steal money
from him in order to buy more drugs.

 

So you of course agree with me that they seeking attention then.
(or do you reaaaaly believe that the process is that hard to achieve
that a genuine attempt is likely to fail, what, 75% of the time?)

 

In aus.motorcycles on Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:37:35 -0700 (PDT)

No.

NOt at all.

It's far more complex and difficult and strange than that.

You would, I think, be quite surprised what "genuine" can mean.


But as you still stick so close to the term "wanker" perhaps not.

As I say, I hope you never find out. Because although I detest your
self-satisfied crowing about horror, it *is* horror.

And I'd never wish it on anyone.

Zebee

 

I can't see how you can equate Zebee's reply as agreeing with that
suggestion at all.

Btw: most suicide attempts, attributed to depression, are attempted by
those who are NOT in the full throes. In the depths of depression, the
person rarely has the drive to attempt anything. There is a bigger
danger of suicide as treatment begins to have an impact - and a person
is still feeling worthless but now has the drive to do something about it.

Also, let's not forget that with clinical depression comes lack of
rational thought processes. A failed suicide attempt is more about not
having thought through how to do it properly, as opposed to a grab for
attention.

 

But you just said you KNEW why people "attempt" suicide (and don't
succeed).
If they're not trying to attract attention and they're not really trying
to kill themselves (obviously) what ARE they doing? Trying out
Ambulance response times?
Or have you just painted yourself into a corner and you're trying the
"you wouldn't understand" excuse?

*yawn*
Silly emotional wank that in no way refers to the preceding context and
thread.
LC.

 

...and speaking of untreated mental illness, who killed Gerry?

Nev..
'08 DL1000K8

 

Come off it Peter; is there really an adult human who doesn't know how
to end his/her life effectively? (barring the extraordinary
circumstances mentioned earlier)

Are you really saying a person wouldn't have the drive to smash a
lightbulb and either slice a vein or turn it on and drop a hand over it?

Or by "drive" do you mean that they're not really motivated to kill
themself.

Not really intending to succeed.
Just sort of crying for help.
Just sort of looking to get someone's attention.
Just sort of attention-seeking?
LC.

 

Did you say "Speaking of hysterically tangential conclusions drawn from
a simple statement-of-fact"?
LC.

 

[...]

Yes of course. And depressed people should be soundly whipped and told
not to be such cry babies. Bring back ward 10B and shock treatment
says I. That'll teach them!

Meanwhile, back in reality land, give me a fractured sternum over
clinical depression any time. It's a mental illness George, and can be
a pretty severe one.

 

But ... but ... but ... red wine and opera *are* treatment ... aren't
they? Maybe it was you, you uncaring Victorian {1]


--
Regards

Andrew

[1] Still Harsh Week, right?

 

Yep; agree with you there George.
Clinical Depression is as real (and devastating) as the worst of the
multitude of conditions grouped together and called "Schizophrenia".

Of course none of that has anything to do with the previous discussion
about suicide "success"-rates though.
LC.

 

Cornflakes! Cornflakes! Get yer cornflake box qualifications here!

Is this worthy of an APC?

Hammo

 

Don't you know it's illegal to remain on topic after 6.78 posts in a
single thread?

 

Damn, "Lars Chance" was my horse in the "who is Hammo pretending to be
this week, sweep".

Nev..
'08 DL1000K8

 

Have things sunk that low?

No, not me, but I hear he is Sharkey!

Hammo (it is all pissheads' fault)