Couple of points

I can't imagine a situation where it wouldn't be perfecty expected for
a Bellett owner to drive off a cliff.

Theo

 

and possilbly the bottom of your pockets

 

That's easy if they're empty.

Theo

 

M/T or not clipping the pocked bottoms to the cuffs on your big boy
pants still makes the reach quite difficult

 

I think you're agreeing with me. I'm certainly agreeing with you.

 

Your comment seems to suggest that evolution isn't or can't be the
result of consious or ethical decisions, when it's probably truer that
evolution is the process of the accumulation of many, many, conscious
(even ethical) decisions.

Nev..
'08 DL1000K8

 

In which case I phrased it badly. Evolution is simply a process of
matching the fitness of a system to its environment. There is no
requirement for either the system or its environment to be ethical or
even consistent. The evolution of human made things may well involve
conscious, even ethical, decisions as you suggest; however, I was only
saying that attempting to apply ethics to the endpoint of an evolutionary
process is a waste of effort.

I suspect I'm still not expressing the idea very well :-(

 

Indeed, because if you're talking about the present, it is the end of
the evolutionary process, not the midpoint.

Nev..
'08 DL1000K8

 

I see your point. There is a good case to be made for a Bellett
owner's friends to give him or her a push up the hill.

Theo

 

You win. Couple in a Volvo C30 died yesterday after taking on a school
bus head on - combined speed at impact may be 120 - 160 km/h. Car driver
may have had a heart attack but the passenger was air lifted out alive
and died in hospital.

If you can't survive in a near-new Volvo you've got buckleys in anything
else. I take it back - you can top yourself in a modern car.

--
Regards

Andrew

... Going out to count the airbags in his Volvo

 

Never overlook the human factor.

 

......and, for all we know, or are ever likely to learn, the couple in
the Volvo may have succeeded.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

In that scenario, the risk that the passenger might not have been fully
informed about the nature of the plan troubles me greatly. In any event,
the scenario doesn't make sense: why would you buy from a brand renowned
for its passenger safety, and then try and use the vehicle to top
yourself?

You wouldn't: you'd steal Doug's neighbour's Isuzu instead.

 

<snigger> Yeah, right.

Your doctor has just told you that you have a long drawn out, painful
and terminal disease.

You decide you don't fancy the sound of that ending.

Hmmm, you think, I'll trade the Volvo in for a more dangerous car, and
then I can top myself.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

<snigger> <snigger>

Doctor says yadda yadda yadda and I says, she can drive the Volvo, I'll
buy a 'busa. C'mon, Cam, if you were a top yerself kind of person to
begin with, you wouldn't buy a Volvo to begin with. You'd buy a
motorcycle.

 

Andrew wrote:

Hi Andrew.

I was, originally, simply hypothesising.

But your comment does open another can of worms.

If, rather than considering a frame of mind as either suicidal or not,
you consider a range of thoughts, with varying degrees of suicidalness,
then, perhaps, it might explain why some folk buy motorbikes.

It would also explain why some folk ride the way they do. :-|

regards,
CrazyCam

 

Well, I wasn't being terribly serious. I think the number of people who
buy a motorcycle with the intention of using it to commit suicide could
be counted on one hand. OTOH the number of people who discover, after
they have purchased a motorcycle, that they could use it to top
themselves might be a big number.

As Zebee keeps pointing out, it would be impossible to get any useful
data. Most males who attempt suicide succeed whereas most females don't.
Most born-again riders are male. Therefore ...

 

O yeah u rekon u cant no then u rekon more bloke suyicide do u have a
crsitill ball?

 

" Suicide Facts

From "How I Stayed Alive When My Brain Was Trying To Kill Me":

* Every 18 minutes, a person dies by suicide in the US.
* 730,000 suicide attempts are made in the US every year, and
approximately 29,000 are "successful."
* Females make three times more suicide attempts than males, but
males are four times more likely to die from suicide. Among men, firearms
account for approximately 60 percent of suicides, among women, 37 percent.
* Between 1952 and 1995, suicide among adolescents and young adults
in the US has nearly tripled. Approximately one in 13 high school
students reported making a suicide attempt in the past 12 months.
* Suicide rates for those 65 and older are more than 50 percent
higher than for the general US population.
* Between 1980 and 1986, the suicide rate for African American males
15 to 19 has increased 105 percent. "

From: http://www.mcmanweb.com/article-204.htm.

There are better sources. Google finds them.

 

Noice try but that is seppoland not aus

Plus some dude selling a book don't make it a good sauce of info