Couple of points

Less than 4% successful suicide rate? They don't seem to be very
discriminatory with their data, either that or Americans are really,
really, really bad at committing suicide, or perhaps the respondents
didn't understand the question?

Nev..
'08 DL1000K8

 

Agreed, but it's not hard to find the same info for Australia. Lower
numbers but consistent with the American pattern, which is that females
make more 'suicide' attempts than males, but males succeed much more
often.

Australian Bureau of Statistics good enough for ya? May be Wesley Mission?

http://www.wesleymission.org.au/publications/r&d/suicide.htm#numbers

http://www.livingisforeveryone.com.au/IgnitionSuite/uploads/docs/LIFE-Fact
%20sheet%203.pdf

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/[email protected]/mf/3309.0/

 

I heard about this in about '92: there was a train driver in the UK
and he had a jumper one day. The rules were if you had a jumper you
were automatically entitled to the rest of the day off. He said he
was OK though, he didn't need to walk away, and he would work to the
end of his shift. Not long later he had another one. As he clocked
off early, he is supposed to have remarked darkly that he really ought
to take the rest of the day off, not because HE was in shock so much,
but had obviously got out on the wrong side of bed that day as he was
taking out so many depressed people.

 

ok some of the data is old and dozen talk about car deaths or bike deaths
but doez talk about sexuality as possible factor

I cant see the apptern u reckon u can see with attempts female vs succed
the raw data wood b beter than the manipulatted number I don't think it is n
e where at all did u make it up?

 

Geezus Andrew,
You actually understood what x.x wrote. I'm impressed!

Theo

 

Maybe he really does have a crsitill ball...

 

Two, actually

 

heh I see u still aint got a answer 4 the attempts vs success rates epic
fail?

 

I'm astounded that he even READ it let alone interpreted and responded
to it.
Must be a slow news day!
LC.

 

In an odd way, that almost makes me feel proud to have a Y
chromosome...


BTH

 

From a feminist viewpoint both genders are actually crying for help. It's
just that the stupid males overdo it and end up really dead. What price
your Y chromosome now? [1]

--
Regards

Andrew

[1] I don't actually agree with that viewpoint, but then I too have a Y
chromosome.

 

For example: 1997 Australia suicides total, female: 577, male: 2146,
ratio: 3.72. I said it was 4, rounding up. Which part of this very simple
arithmetic don't you understand?

And if you don't understand why the ABS stats are 10 years old you
obviously know nothing about the ABS. Or statistics, for that matter.

At no point have I said 4 times as many males suicide by motorcycle
compared to females. How could anyone possibly know that? Read what is
written, Grasshopper.

 

noice try u have worked out a simple ratio u r trying to say that means
suceeded suicides shows that men are more succcesful at suicide?

ha if u don't have recent numbers don't blame me

u r the one that wanted to talk about someones book I just called u on it

 

By Jove, I think he's got it!

 

then you would need to b able 2 say that women attempt more than men the 10
yr old stats don't show that fail!

 

But hang on those stats don't show that men are more successful at
suicide. They show that more men die as a result of suicide.

Nev..
'08 DL1000K8

 

The up-to-date statistics I pointed you at were mortality rates. Of
course they don't show attempts which don't result in death.

http://www.healthyplace.com/depression/suicide/suicide-facts-suicide-
statistics/menu-id-68/

" Attempted Suicides in the U.S. - 1999

No annual national data on attempted suicide are available; reliable
scientific research, however, has found that:

* There are an estimated 8-25 attempted suicides to one completion;
the ratio is higher in women and youth and lower in men and the elderly
* More women than men report a history of attempted suicide, with a
gender ratio of 3:1
* The strongest risk factors for attempted suicide in adults are
depression, alcohol abuse, cocaine use, and separation or divorce
* The strongest risk factors for attempted suicide in youth are
depression, alcohol or other drug use disorder, and aggressive or
disruptive behaviors

Source: National Instititute of Mental Health "

There are no statistics available for Australia either. However, hospital
discharge summaries kept for South Australia and Queensland imply that
serious self-harm rates (not leading to death) do not vary much between
men and women. No statistics are kept in Australia on attempted suicide
rates not leading to hospitalisation or death.

You can look up the various ABS papers on this topic yourself:

http://www.googlesyndicatedsearch.com/u/AustralianBureauOfStatistics?
q=attempted+suicide&sa=GO&domains=abs.gov.au&sitesearch=abs.gov.au

In this article, for example:

http://www8.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/2f762f95845417aeca25706c00834efa/
d2c9296f8d9c01b1ca2570ec000e2f5f!OpenDocument

" The ratio of men to women who commit suicide is not a reflection of the
ratio of men to women who attempt suicide. According to results from the
1997 Survey of Mental Health and Wellbeing of Adults, women were about
twice as likely as men to have attempted suicide in the 12 months prior
to the interview. Reasons for the differences in attempts at suicide and
completed suicides between men and women are not fully understood. "

 

Correct. However, the authors and statisticians in this field use the
word "success" so you can hardly blame x.x for following along. FWIW I
think killing yourself as a result of attempted suicide could indeed be
seen as an 'epic fail'!

 

I mean more from the viewpoint of "Getting the job done right the
first time."

I *did* say it was odd...


BTH

 

To quote u from a earlier posts

Agreed, but it's not hard to find the same info for Australia. Lower
numbers but consistent with the American pattern, which is that females
make more 'suicide' attempts than males, but males succeed much more
often.