Crash caught on video

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Jim Pagett, Feb 13, 2006.

  1. Jim Pagett

    David Mahon Guest

    If you have an unconscious victim following trauma, the airway is
    compromised and the patient should be intubated. So the helmet needs to
    come off.

    Here's how:

    http://www.facs.org/trauma/publications/helmet.pdf
     
    David Mahon, Feb 13, 2006
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  2. Jim Pagett

    David Mahon Guest

    "He's" a "she".
     
    David Mahon, Feb 13, 2006
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  3. One organised by the local plod , first aid taught by a paramedic (bike
    safe west midlands)
     
    Steve Robinson, Feb 13, 2006
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  4. If she'd just been going that little bit faster, she'd have made that gap.


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    DoetNietComputeren, Feb 13, 2006
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  5. Jim Pagett

    Veggie Dave Guest

    And it wasn't mentioned that you only take it off if the poor bugger's
    probably going to die if you don't?

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    Veggie Dave, Feb 13, 2006
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  6. Jim Pagett

    Cab Guest

    I was wondering when someone was going to blame it on the biker ;-)
     
    Cab, Feb 13, 2006
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  7. Jim Pagett

    Paul - xxx Guest

    Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot came up with the following;:
    ;)
     
    Paul - xxx, Feb 13, 2006
    #27
  8. "Lack of speed kills"

    Si
     
    Mungo \Two Sheds\ Toadfoot, Feb 13, 2006
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  9. Jim Pagett

    Pip Luscher Guest

    Heh.

    This thread has had first aid, acident analysis, and now the UKRM
    approach to accident avoidance in a nutshell.
     
    Pip Luscher, Feb 13, 2006
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  10. Jim Pagett

    Christofire Guest

    Now, how do you print that off and attach it to yourself so that if
    needed someone will see it, and it survives whatever caused it's need?
     
    Christofire, Feb 13, 2006
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  11. Jim Pagett

    BGN Guest

    My DSA examiner had "DO NOT REMOVE MY HELMET" stickers all over his
    helmet, but I doubt anyone would read them if he was splattered across
    a road.
     
    BGN, Feb 13, 2006
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  12. Jim Pagett

    zymurgy Guest

    Quadroplegic ?

    HTH

    Paul.
     
    zymurgy, Feb 13, 2006
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  13. Grimly Curmudgeon, Feb 13, 2006
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  14. Jim Pagett

    platypus Guest

    Exactly what I thought. All this talk of tits etc. It's very frustrating.
     
    platypus, Feb 14, 2006
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  15. From the course I was on where the guy giving the course was a
    motorcyclist he once having given the official line, ref the example
    given, said that would probably cause damage to the spinal cord due to
    the stretching action of pulling the helmet off. He then asked those
    motorcyclists amongst up to demonstrate the way we put our helmets on.
    All of us, apart from the occasional 'person', lead with our forehead
    into the helmet first then rolled the helmet on to our head. This
    enables the rear part of the head to entry the helmet without force. To
    do this in reverse he suggested was the least forceful way to remove the
    helmet. So:

    With your helper supporting the neck as per given example, ready with
    neck brace, strap undone, place the four fingers of one hand through the
    visor opening onto the forehead then with the other hand roll the helmet
    off towards your first hand, until the back of the helmet has passed
    over the back of the head. The force of your push being countered by the
    pressure of your fingers. Then you can continue the removal with out
    force.

    Takes a few practice goes before you get to grips with it and then it's
    not a problem. It's better to practice this before you need it for real.
     
    Mick Whittingham, Feb 14, 2006
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  16. The fact remains most people at the scene of an accident have no formal
    training and removing the helmet is likely to cause more injury than leaving
    it in place

    The only time i would ever consider taking the helmet off is if the
    motorcyclist was not breathing and only then if it prevented me giving
    appropriate first aid

    As far as i am concerned first aid and accident scene management should be a
    standard part of the driving/riding test .
     
    Steve Robinson, Feb 14, 2006
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  17. Jim Pagett

    MikeH Guest

    Oh No.

    You see the way they drive after their "training"[1] - do you want them
    practising first aid as well?

    [1] No disrespect to driving schools - just 90% of their pupils.
     
    MikeH, Feb 14, 2006
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  18. Jim Pagett

    Andy Bonwick Guest

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:50:13 GMT, "Steve Robinson"
    If I crash heavily and end up unconscious I hope someone with the
    ability to take my crash helmet off safely is in the close vicinity.

    I'm not sure I fancy either option given the choice of spinal damage
    caused by clumsy crash helmet removal or brain damage caused by oxygen
    starvation. If I had to choose it's be the spinal damage because at
    least I could amuse myself pretending to be Superman.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Feb 14, 2006
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  19. Is that the bit were he gets to play with Lois lane .
     
    Steve Robinson, Feb 14, 2006
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  20. Jim Pagett

    'Hog Guest

    Are all hinged helmets heavy and horrible? it would be easier if they
    were all cantilevered. Kinder to gurls hair too.
     
    'Hog, Feb 14, 2006
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