Dear Spacker

In this season of goodwill to all men (and women of course) I thought I
would offer a few
brief comments on the Spacker/TOG 'debate' having, rather sadly, followed it
with a mixture of
amusement, bewilderment and frustration for what seems like an eternity.

Firstly, I'm not in a position to comment on TOG's ethics but he seems to me
to be a straight talking
sort of guy who doesn't suffer fools gladly and who doesn't like to feel
like he is being ripped off
ie £50 for a local collection, albeit he should have confirmed free
collection with the seller before bidding
as he has himself admitted.

On the other hand Spacker has come across as an immature and obsessive
person who can't seem to leave
the subject alone, or at least take it off the newsgroup as has been
suggested by others already.
This says to me that he likes the attention he is attracting to himself and
marks him out as an attention-seeker.
He may have started out wanting to warn others of what he rergards as a
dishonest or unscrupulous seller but
has carried the matter much to far and much too publicly.

I know that Usenet is intended for anyone to say what they want when they
want but surely there must be some
element of self censorship, otherwise sensible people will lose interest
eventually and it will be left to the obsessives
and nutters.

As far as Spacker is concerned he is either an obsessive (as evidenced by
his comments about Ebay generally)
or a troll (as suggested by his inflamatory allegations about TOG). Either
way it would be nice if he could exercise
a little self-censorship before hitting the send button.

Happy New Year to everyone.

Chris

 

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You should know that TOG is a bad, bad man. He'll probably send a gang of
Christmas elves to your place to take you out (in a Derek Bentley stylee).


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Or indeed a morphed Spacker himself.


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Here he is, with one of his gang members.

http://www.chateau.murray.dsl.pipex.com/images/Morrisdancing.jpg

 

Because you're the idiot who seems to be concerned with who "plays the
race card." And that is not me, it's Krusty.

Amazing. I've never seen anyone in reeky make as bad impression on as
many people in as little time as you have. Hell, even Krusty Kritter
took YEARS to earn the enmity of 99.9% of all reeky regulars.

 

Who said anything about Ebay's profits? I didn't. You are the one who keeps
bringing that up.

In fact, I have stopped listing for my company due to the rule changes and
minimal profit due to Ebay and Paypal fees (we used to do about £1000 per
month sales but it just wasn't worth all the admin and hassle in the end,
and before you ask we had 100% positive feedback on almost 1500 transactions
due to excellent products and customer care). I don't like fee avoidance or
selling off Ebay any more than the next person but it goes on all the time.
Ebay could stop the fee avoidance if they wanted to spend the money policing
their own listings but they obviously don't. It's a market place like any
other, buyer (and now seller) beware!

Chris

 

Problem is, The Old **** thinks that *everybody* is a fool, except for
himself and he will take any harmless disagreement and run with it,
and tell the world that so-and-so is an idiot.

But that describes The Old ****, as well. He cannot just let a mild
disagreement go, he has to keep it going for *years*.

I personally ignored him fro *years* when he sniped at me, until it
became obvious that his agenda is destroying the other poster's
credibility in order to build himself up in the estimate of those who
he hasn't attacked---yet!

 

Problem is, The Old **** thinks that *everybody* is a fool, except for
himself and he will take any harmless disagreement and run with it,
and tell the world that so-and-so is an idiot.

But that describes The Old ****, as well. He cannot just let a mild
disagreement go, he has to keep it going for *years*.

I personally ignored him fro *years* when he sniped at me, until it
became obvious that his agenda is destroying the other poster's
credibility in order to build himself up in the estimate of those who
he hasn't attacked---yet!

Sounds like they deserve each other then, if only they would take it off
upce we would all be happy!

 

Well, then you shouldn't comment, you need to understand the auction to
comment, but a few facts to help you.

No collection was offered full stop, delivery only. Seller said you can
collect if you want because the price is the same.

TOC, knew this but though he could screw the seller over. He claimed he
didn't check postage, but he's a dealer and 1,000 feedback 7+ years, so he
knew the score. He also knew, as he m/c buddies told him, that he was
getting a £160-£320 item for £80 including the postage. But he's shrew and
he thought he'd screw the seller, as he's done with other sellers before.

Nothing illegal, a bit immoral may be, but then he has to come and boast
about that the fact that he negged the seller over it. He then back tracked
and claimed he negged the seller over fee evasion, so as not to appear the
petty **** that he is. Only to evade ebay of fees by selling off of ebay to
a buyer who contacted him through a failed auction. Instead of setting up a
new auction, he did a direct deal, again nothing majorly wrong with that,
unless you've already claimed the moral highground and already fucked a
seller over for doing the same.

His big excuse is that he didn't read the postage cost in the original
auction, really, well have a look at his current auction and tell me if this
sounds like someone who doesn't reade auctions - I'll point you out to the
relevant point but you can check it for yourself.

"Sorry to be so blatant, but there are always people who don't read
listings."

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Apple-16GB-iP...oryZ3312QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

There's plenty more of his dubious behaviour and if you're going to comment,
then perhaps you need to do some research.

but he seems to me

But takes delight in ripping off others in previous purchases (I'm referring
to bike purchases, not the above)

Go join a moderated newsgroup or a forum, Usenet is once of the last places
the Nanny State (AKA Nu-Libor) hasn't got to, and if someone wants to call
TOC a **** (which is what he is) then they are free to do so.


otherwise sensible people will lose interest

 

Chris you're missing the point, niether I or Spacker care about ebay losing
fees, this is the logic of the arguement against TOC.

TOC buys an item, throws his dummy out of the pram because he can't rip the
seller off.

The he negs him, like the kid who takes his ball home, then he gloats about
getting one over. The he tries to cover his childish behaviour by saying it
was because of fee evasion which is a bad thing to do. Then he does fee
evasion and thinks it's fine.

That is the crux of it, along with several other shitty things. So it's a
case of, do as I say not as I do, mixed in with a general odiousness.

 

The logic of my arguement against you and Spacker and others is that it's
been done to death and beyond. Why it continues is a mystery. Perhaps they
both enjoy it and others take sides, prolonging the discussion to the point
where it becomes a waste of time in my humble opinion. I'm only getting
involved because I've nothing else much to do at the moment!

And to return to Spacker's reply to my original message, you will note that
instead of answering the substantive section where I suggested that he is
either an immature obsessive or a troll he chose to attack me for my concern
over Ebays profits which I didn't even mention. He is his own worst enemy in
many ways.

Regards

Chris

 

And what about the pain you cause the rest of us by posting this
three-way troll? Are you going to continue the year in this manner,
or is this a one-off ... until you swan off on holiday and pull the
same old stunt again?

 

Yeah

 

<looks at DT175MX not in parking space>

Glad you warned me.

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The Older Gentleman wrote:


Wotcha.

Gave it a full rewire - mainly for something to do. I'm odd like that.
Fitted Japanese switch gear and different front indicators.
It starts and runs just like it should.
I've even bought an "MZ collection" of a guy who I've known for years. Not
quite sure of how many, and what models. I know there's an ETZ which just
may well replace the MZ I bought from you. It's amazing how many folks have
tried to buy that one off me - just proves the country is indeed dumbing
down ;-)

 

Road_Hog wrote:

Wotcha.

Hmm - scary.

Now if this lot were to turn up . . . .
http://www.rathergood.com/morris_dancers

 

If you ever come to sell it, I wouldn't mind first refusal to get it
back.

 

At which point, you undoubtedly (and belatedly) realized "DOH! What a
fucking idiot I've been - I had no credibility to begin with, so there
is nothing there for him or anyone else to destroy!!!"

 

Just drop crossposts to which ever groups.