Derestricting Hyosung 125 Comet

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Rayrosher, Oct 27, 2004.

  1. Yeah, my bikes always seemed to run more smoothly on a crisp and chilly
    morning...
     
    Whinging Courier, Oct 27, 2004
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  2. Rayrosher

    Muck Guest

    On a chilly misty morning even more so. My Bandit just starts to
    splutter and cough due to ice in the carbs. :)
     
    Muck, Oct 27, 2004
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  3. *Woooooosh!*
     
    Whinging Courier, Oct 27, 2004
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  4. Rayrosher

    WavyDavy Guest

    Yes. But only with physics, unfortunately...
     
    WavyDavy, Oct 27, 2004
    #24
  5. Whinging Courier wrote
    I have always been a firm believer in the power of Esso Regular me.
     
    steve auvache, Oct 27, 2004
    #25
  6. Cold air = denser air = more gas getting into the pots, plus a cooler
    incoming charge (same as having God's own intercooler).

    You might think this would upset the mixture, but in cold weather fuel
    is denser too, so it self-adjusts.

    Next year's GP will be in Antarctica....
     
    The Older Gentleman, Oct 28, 2004
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  7. Rayrosher

    Muck Guest

    Heh, less of the little fucker please. :)
     
    Muck, Oct 28, 2004
    #27
  8. Rayrosher

    platypus Guest

    The wings work better in cooler, thicker air, but the engine does too. This
    is because every intake stroke pulls in a higher mass of air, and therefore
    each stroke can burn more fuel and produce more power.
    On your average Cessna, you've got three primary engine controls: the
    throttle, the mixture control, and the carb heat. All of these do roughly
    what you'd imagine from the description.

    You've also got a primer, which is a little pump that puts neat fuel into
    the intake manifold. If you're starting the engine on a cold morning, you
    give it two or three pumps, and then lock it down so it doesn't bleed fuel
    and **** up your mixture. Then you set carb heat off, mixture rich,
    throttle open a crack, mags on both and operate the starter. All of the
    engine controls are left as is until after take-off, apart from things like
    checking the engine runs acceptably on left and right mags separately, and
    power checks. Once you're off the ground, climbed out and set course to
    wherever you're going, you start dicking about with the mixture to find the
    optimum for your power setting, altitude, air temperature etc. This is
    called "leaning", and is a black art involving increases and decreases in
    rpm as you dick about with the mixture knob. If you're climbing, you need
    to repeat the exercise from time to time as air pressure and temperature
    decrease. Some people spend their whole lives dicking about with the
    mixture knob, especially on multi-engine and other complex types.

    When you're doing a landing, you'll have the mixture set to rich, carb heat
    on, throttle to what you need - the throttle controls rate of descent, the
    attitude of the aircraft controls airspeed.

    After landing, you get the carb heat off. As a rule, you don't use carb
    heat at all on the ground, because it pulls unfiltered air from around the
    engine cooling fins (air-cooled engine), and if you taxy through a puddle,
    it could suck the spray into the engine (as well as any other muck or dust
    that happens to be blowing about). Shutting down the engine, you close the
    throttle, do a mag check, then haul the mixture knob right out to max lean.
    The engine will die in a couple of seconds. Then mags off, shut down the
    rest of the electrics, and you're done.
    Well, now you do :eek:)
     
    platypus, Oct 28, 2004
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  9. Rayrosher

    Dave Guest

    Chris,

    A long shot but...

    .... You aren't the Chris I was talking to about this very same subject at a
    Jon, Mike & Loren's BBQ a few months back by any chance? The guy who learnt
    at Oxford aviation?

    If not then I really should get his email address ;)

    Dave.
     
    Dave, Oct 28, 2004
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  10. Chris Cowley wrote
    When you do the math for a prop you use the same basic sums as for any
    wing and it includes a constant for air density. I suspect that in a
    full size aeroplane you would be looking for constant revs from the
    engine so you would need to feather the prop slightly on a colder day to
    achieve the same overall effect.

    A quick glance at the equations suggest to me that you are talking about
    a fraction of a percent difference across "normal" ranges of air density
    so in practice it probably makes bugger all difference.
     
    steve auvache, Oct 28, 2004
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  11. Rayrosher

    platypus Guest

    The problem with being off sick is that I'm too crocked to spend the time
    out on the bike. Still, things are moving into a post-crippled phase...
     
    platypus, Oct 28, 2004
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  12. platypus wrote
    You seem to be taking an awfully long time to get fixed, is everything
    going ok?
     
    steve auvache, Oct 28, 2004
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  13. Rayrosher

    platypus Guest

    Oh yes. It just took a while for the bones to knit. The other problem was
    the shoulder blade: the arm had to stay immobilised, so what muscles I had
    are more like soggy bogroll atm. But I can raise my arm over my head, I've
    been sleeping in a bed for a few nights now, and I can change gear in the
    car without yelling. I've been driving for a week now, and I may take the
    Kontinent Krusher out for a trundle at the weekend.

    Ta for asking, like :eek:)
     
    platypus, Oct 28, 2004
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  14. platypus wrote
    Not a problem, think nothing of it. Besides it gives me the chance to
    point out that there are at least two things you are slow at.
     
    steve auvache, Oct 28, 2004
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  15. Rayrosher

    platypus Guest

    That's "last a long time".
     
    platypus, Oct 28, 2004
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  16. platypus wrote
    Counting to two is not a long time.
     
    steve auvache, Oct 28, 2004
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  17. Rayrosher

    platypus Guest

    The thing to remember is that, when you're hammering down the runway, the
    wings aren't producing lift, and they don't until you reach take-off
    airspeed, pull back on the stick and rotate the aircraft to create an angle
    between the chord line of the wing and the relative airflow (angle of
    attack). As drag is the price of lift, the drag is much less until
    rotation - by which time, the aircraft is at flying speed.

    Another benefit of cold air is that the same aircraft can fly higher in it,
    because the power and lift both stay with you higher. It's also crisper and
    nicer to fly in, too.
     
    platypus, Oct 28, 2004
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  18. Rayrosher

    platypus Guest

    I haven't flown anything for nearly 10 years, but when I did, it was the
    usual: ShiteOldCessnas, Cherokees, a Robin (once), a Beagle Terrier
    (actually Beagle's demonstrator in a previous life), a Tripacer, a few
    microlights, my mother's Rallye MS880B, gliders, a Supercub (once)...
    That's probably about it.

    You expected refinements like cabin heat in a Shadow? You can barely get
    the pilot into a Shadow.
    Started at Newtownards in Norn Iron, later places like Leavesden, Popham,
    White Waltham, Blackbushe, Lasham, Nympsfield, Staverton.
     
    platypus, Oct 28, 2004
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  19. Rayrosher

    platypus Guest

    The aircraft has less drag running along the ground than it has airborne,
    because the wings aren't generating lift to take the weight of the thing, so
    acceleration along the runway will always be greater than anywhere else.
    The drag caused by skin friction, turbulence, and simply pushing the air out
    of the way needs to be considered separately from the drag caused by
    supporting the weight of the aircraft: the former will increase as speed
    increases, the latter will not, as the weight of the aircraft doesn't
    increase. Even chunky little trainers like the C150 are pretty slippery, so
    airframe drag isn't going to be much of an issue at take-off speeds. I'd
    suggest that the aerodynamic drag, which has to hold (say) a ton of aircraft
    off the ground, would be hugely greater than the airframe drag. As the
    aircraft's engine is specified to be able to hurl the thing down the runway,
    into the air, and haul it up to around 15,000', I'd say that an 8% increase
    in engine power would piss all over an 8% increase in airframe drag, because
    the airframe drag is such a small part of the total load. Also, there won't
    be an 8% increase in aerodynamic drag, because this is proportional only to
    the weight of the aircraft.

    Experience bears this out: I've flown on cold days, and the whole thing has
    been more alive and responsive, climb-out has felt better, controls have
    been crisper and more effective. OTOH the crash that killed my mother was
    due to the aircraft failing to get properly airborne: short grass strip, max
    weight, hot, windless day. Less drag, but less lift and less power from the
    engine. If the pilot had remembered to put the flaps down it might have
    helped.

    Propellor pitch: the prop is matched to the engine power as well as the
    airframe. If it's too fine, it'll let the engine over-rev at full power and
    be inefficient in the cruise. If it's too coarse, it won't allow the engine
    to rev to full power. Obviously it's a compromise, but in colder air, the
    prop will have thicker air to bite into, and so will be able to take
    advantage of the extra power from the engine and produce more thrust.
    Don't hold your breath.
     
    platypus, Oct 29, 2004
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  20. Rayrosher

    platypus Guest

    Excellent. Very reminiscent of the Sioux City crash.
     
    platypus, Oct 29, 2004
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