Did Arnold Schwarzenegger pass the idiotic CA DMV motorcyclelicense test?

Discussion in 'Bay Area Bikers' started by jm, Sep 1, 2010.

  1. jm

    Twibil Guest

    Mea culpa. Turns out I was wrong. The DMV uploaded and entire
    *series* of videos on the subject.

    Looks as if the "secret" of the California DMV's motorcycle riding
    test is no longer a secret.

    (Free hint: It never *was* hidden knowledge.)
    Twibil, Sep 2, 2010
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  2. jm

    ? Guest

    jm is correct. 20 feet ahead *is* approximately 90 degrees to the
    rider's course at any time, and it wasn't necessary for you to be so
    typically nasty to him.
    ?, Sep 2, 2010
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  3. jm

    ? Guest

    Looking at the pavement too close in front of you is a recipe for

    A Los Angeles group that I used to ride with invited a CHP motor
    officer to lunch and he talked about how to turn really tight u-turns.

    He said that you wanted to twist your body around so you could see
    your tail light (or the police radio, on a CHP motorcycle), then raise
    your eyes to the horizon, and proceed to twist the throttle and
    feather out the clutch and make your tight turn.

    He calls this approach "maintaining a high horizon."

    One of my distant cousins publishes a free motorcycle newspaper called
    "Friction Zone."

    She has published this officer's accident analyses on several
    occasions and he frequently speaks of maintaining a "high horizon."
    ?, Sep 2, 2010
  4. Yup. Cops on Harleys can be pretty impressive.

    Now what would be awesome though would be
    hearing from somebody who passed on a chopper,
    preferably with a fat square rear tire and kicked out
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Sep 2, 2010
  5. jm

    Twibil Guest

    Oh dear.

    Attend closely: Using *your* figure of a 25' diameter circle, we
    simply multiply 25' by Pi (3.14) and get a circumference of 78.4' for
    your 25' circle.

    To find out what angle you'd have to cock your head at when using a
    sight-line 20' ahead of your path all we have to do is divide that
    same 78.4' by 4 to find out exactly how long 1/4 of that circle would

    Turns out the answer is 19.6, and that means that when you're when
    riding in a 25' circle 20' ahead of you is only a bit over 1/4 of the
    way around the circle, and if you were looking 90 degrees to either
    you left or your right you'd be looking circa 40' ahead of your path,
    not 20'.

    Get it now?
    Twibil, Sep 2, 2010
  6. <Puzzled>

    But that's all of them isn't it?
    The Older Gentleman, Sep 2, 2010
  7. *YAWN*
    The Older Gentleman, Sep 2, 2010
  8. jm

    D. Stussy Guest

    This has got to be one of the stupidest questions I've ever seen.

    Of course our Governor can ride a motorcycle. He does so WITHOUT a stunt
    double (for most scenes) in the Terminator movies. Even if he were to
    fail, he'll be back! ;-)

    (Now, passing the written test would be a different issue!).
    D. Stussy, Sep 2, 2010
  9. jm

    Bob Myers Guest

    Ummmm...in a word, no.

    Let's run through the numbers one more time, going slowly for those who
    have to remember that "pi" doesn't mean something with a crust, shall

    We're assuming a circle with a nominal diameter of something like
    25-28 feet, right?

    The circumference of a circle is pi times the diameter.

    Pi, for those who haven't used it since high school geometry, is
    about 3.14.

    Pi times 25 is 78.5. Pi times 28 is just shy of 88.

    So "20 feet ahead" on your intended path, which presumably IS
    along the circumference of the circle and not straight ahead, is
    just about a quarter of the way around.

    Now, here's the really hard part, so try REALLY hard to visualize
    this, OK? If you are at any given point in a circle, and want to
    look at a point in the circle that's about a quarter of the way
    around, you're looking off at about a 45 degree angle from
    "straight ahead."

    If you were looking at "90 degrees," you'd be looking at a
    spot exactly opposite you on the other side of the circle, or
    in this case about 40 feet along what we have to assume is
    your intended path. I would humbly suggest looking there is
    not a particularly productive thing to be doing as opposed to
    looking about 45 degrees off, or a *quarter* of the way around.

    All clear now? SO glad we could clear that up for you...

    Bob M.
    Bob Myers, Sep 2, 2010
  10. jm

    ? Guest

    That's debatable, considering what the CHP officer had to say about
    twisting his body to look back at his tail light (or police radio) and
    then raising his eyes to the horizon to maintain his orientation.
    ?, Sep 3, 2010
  11. jm

    Tim Guest

    Sure, except when you are slow riding. My friend (who was, for many
    years, the lead instructor of the Police Rider Training Academy that
    HOSTED the police riding rodeos in Dumfries that Vito mentioned) looks
    down at the ground about 8-10 feet in front of his bike when he wants
    to inch the bike forward at extreme low speeds.

    You don't do that when you're riding around a 25' circle, which is
    what YOU originally suggested that a test subject in the CA rider test
    *HAD* to do in order to stay on path.

    You are contradicting yourself.
    Tim, Sep 3, 2010
  12. I passed the California DMV riding test on my first try, on a
    real bike of decent but modest size-- an EX500. I'd taken the
    MSF class, but the instructor wasn't certified by the state
    so I still had to take the riding test.

    It was my first time taking the test, but not my first time riding
    the keyhole, since I'd gone over on a Sunday morning and ridden it
    until I was confident that I could pass easily.

    Patti Beadles, Sep 3, 2010
  13. jm

    JoeSchmoe Guest

    Funny. You're not posting from California. Perhaps you took a DIFFERENT
    test, passing it 'on the first try'?
    JoeSchmoe, Sep 11, 2010
  14. Yeah, right. All you guys who failed the test
    are really, really competent riders and the DMV
    is picking on you.
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Sep 11, 2010
  15. jm

    JoeSchmoe Guest

    The smart people don't take the DMV riding test.

    Neither did Arnold.
    JoeSchmoe, Sep 11, 2010
  16. jm

    JoeSchmoe Guest

    Amazing how when people test & grade themselves, they always pass with
    flying colors!

    Ask a room of 100 riders to score themselves from 1 to 10 on riding
    skills, telling them some number, say 5, is average.

    How many do you think will score themselves a 5?
    JoeSchmoe, Sep 11, 2010
  17. jm

    JoeSchmoe Guest

    Very interesting.

    I noticed they never showed a complete test, perhaps because they had to
    splice many takes.

    And they obscured the sound of the slipping clutch although they couldn't
    hide the jerkiness of the brake application a few times in the circle.

    That rider was certainly a ringer. It would only be believable if they
    spelled out the credentials of that rider (most likely a policeman who is
    admittedly extremely well trained before he ever took that test).

    Given that, the videos are impressive, just as a Terminator movie is
    impressive. But not to be believed.
    JoeSchmoe, Sep 11, 2010
  18. jm

    Twibil Guest

    'Fess up: You're actually Joe The Plumber. (Who doesn't really know
    anything about plumbing, just as you don't actually know how to ride a

    The only people who can't pass the California DMV motorcycle riding
    test in a couple of tries are the guys who *need* to take the
    alternate classes.

    Deal with it.
    Twibil, Sep 11, 2010
  19. jm

    Tim Guest

    I don't know, but based on the contents of this thread, I'm sure the
    ones who fail the California DMV test will still consider themselves a
    perfect "10" and blame the test itself for their failure.
    Tim, Sep 11, 2010
  20. Ya think ?
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Sep 11, 2010
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