Did Arnold Schwarzenegger pass the idiotic CA DMV motorcyclelicense test?

Discussion in 'Bay Area Bikers' started by jm, Sep 1, 2010.

  1. jm

    JoeSchmoe Guest

    That's an interesting point.

    What is the minimum circle possible in some big bore street bikes?

    I just googled for "BMW K1200LT turning radius", which is what I have,
    and realized this is difficult information to find.

    Is there a way to calculate the turning radius from the wheelbase?

    Anyway, I did find a discussion on a BMW forum specific to the California
    DMV riding test where nobody on the forum had claimed to pass the test on
    their bike.

    Forum: i-BMW.com
    Title: California DMV Riding Test
    Date: 06-09-2010
    URL: http://www.i-bmw.com/showthread.php?p=343974

    It's interesting that folks here, on the big wide anonymous usenet,
    "claim" to pass easily on big-bore bikes while they're munching on a
    donut, but bike enthusiasts on the forums, where everyone knows each
    other a bit better, don't seem to lie as much. In fact, those enthusasts
    who trust one another can't seem to pass the DMV test on their K1200RS

    Don't believe me? Read the forum. I provided the URL.

    Seems to me the truth is in the forums where guys don't lie as much as
    they did in this thread.
    JoeSchmoe, Sep 12, 2010
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  2. jm

    Twibil Guest

    It's also a lie that was told by Krusty. (And you should have known
    better than to use him for a reference.)
    If you'd read the entire thread you'd already know that.

    Turning circle on a Harley Electraglide is 16'. Much less than the
    22' cited for the test circle.
    "Difficult"? If you own one it would only take you about 30 seconds
    and a tape measure to find out. Simply walk the bike in a circle at
    full steering lock and measure the result.

    (The turning circle would actually be somewhat less than that if you
    were riding instead of walking; but let's leave that aside.)
    Of course not. It's the degree of your front wheel's maximum
    deflection that is the main factor in determining minimum turning
    radius, not the wheelbase.
    Sigh. Another "If I can't do it then youre lying" dweeb.
    Come to California and watch it happen, little troll.
    Twibil, Sep 12, 2010
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  3. jm

    Twibil Guest

    Hummm. You're either insane or even more computer illiterate than I;
    which isn't easy.

    I'm posting from my home in Redlands California, and always have.
    Perhaps you're a fruit-loop?
    Twibil, Sep 13, 2010
  4. Don't see too many of those on reeky. Nosiree Bob.
    One every two or three minutes, tops.
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Sep 13, 2010
  5. jm

    ? Guest

    Half of all reekyites are fruit loops, but they're in denial...

    The question remains as to whether or not Schwarzenegger ever passed
    the DMV
    performance test.

    It would be so *easy* for reekyites to simply say, "I don't know," or
    to remain silent, but they cannot resist putting down the OP and
    endlessly arguing.
    ?, Sep 13, 2010
  6. jm

    Bob Myers Guest

    And anyone with half a brain and a working web browser could very
    quickly find the answer to that:


    Bob M.
    Bob Myers, Sep 13, 2010
  7. jm

    Tim Guest

    Looks like the guvanator can pass the test after not riding for six
    months, and even though his last ride was in a hack, and ended in a

    How hard could the test *be* ???
    Tim, Sep 13, 2010
  8. jm

    Twibil Guest

    Answer: Too hard for either Krusty or Joe.

    Prediction: Joe will reply that the Gubernator didn't "really" pass
    the test, and will demand visual proof that he did so.

    Further prediction: Someone will eventually provide that proof, and
    Joe will reply that the film "isn't to be believed", and that the
    whole thing is a conspiracy to force him to give his money to the
    Communist-inspired MSF.

    Twibil, Sep 13, 2010
  9. jm

    ? Guest

    Hey! I can hardly U-turn my FZR[1] on a 30 foot wide street without
    putting a foot down, and the outer circle of the California test is
    only 25 feet in diameter.

    How do I know this?

    I went to the DMV down the street and *measured* it.

    [1] The wide spars of the deltabox frame and the high and wide gas
    tank leave little room for the rider's thumbs when the steering is on
    the stops and the steering geometry causes the front wheel to out
    ?, Sep 13, 2010
  10. jm

    Tim Guest

    I found the MSF consecutive U-turn inside a 20-foot wide box to be
    difficult at first, when they added that exercise to the course, and
    had to practice it repeatedly until I could demonstrate it perfectly
    for the students.

    I used to go and practice it on my Ducati 851 Superbike, and found it
    virtually impossible at first, with the limited steering lock and the
    weight on my hands and wrists, the riding position, and the chin bar
    of my helmet smashing into my shoulder when I turned my head far
    enough to look back.

    Finally, I developed a technique so that I could do it on the Ducati,
    but it was far from natural, and it was not a skill that I ever used
    in real life, nor would I ever want to use that skill in real life.

    However, I could eventually do it as easily on my teaching partner's
    903 pound GL1500 Gold Wing as I could on a Suzuki GN125 from the class
    Tim, Sep 13, 2010
  11. jm

    Twibil Guest

    *Sooooooooooo* stupid, and he never ever learns not to post lies.

    If you really owned an FZR you'd know that they'll turn far tighter
    than a 12.5' radius, and that they'll do so without getting your
    thumbs anywhere *near* the tank, or the bars anywhere *near* the stops.
    Twibil, Sep 13, 2010
  12. jm

    JoeSchmoe Guest

    Hi Bob,
    That NYT article was already quoted in this thread (see above).

    It doesn't say which test Arnold passed:
    a) Did he pass the CA DMV lollipop?
    b) Or did he pass the MSF circuit?

    If he passed the CA DMV lollipop, did he take it on his own bike?

    In reality, we can assume the answer (because he couldn't possibly have
    passed the California test on his own bike, nor would he be stupid
    enough, politically, to even try to take the test that has his name on it
    and fail it three times consecutively).

    Which leads me to the ultimate irony in this quest for facts ...

    It's ironic, because it's almost certain Arnold is the governor of a
    state where even he can't pass his own riding license test that he
    endorses with his signature on the cover of every DMV riding manual.

    But, that hypothesis above awaits confirmation of fact ... which we just
    don't have ... and which that NYT editor did not do their research well
    enough to explain.

    I just now wrote to the author of that article, a woman by the name of
    Mireya Navarro, email is available at the following location:

    TINYURL: http://tinyurl.com/34lv9fr

    If anyone else is interested in knowing whether Arnold passed his own
    riding test, please send her an email too! I doubt she'll answer just
    one, but if many came her way, maybe she'd be prompted to do some more
    research on our behalf.
    JoeSchmoe, Sep 14, 2010
  13. jm

    JoeSchmoe Guest

    You do realize you're disparaging the MSF riding test and not the
    California DMV lollipop, don't you Tim?
    JoeSchmoe, Sep 14, 2010
  14. jm

    Twibil Guest

    Pete posted: "Prediction: Joe will reply that the Gubernator didn't
    "really" pass
    the test... "

    And Joe posted: "In reality, we can assume the answer
    (because he couldn't possibly have passed the California
    test on his own bike..."

    Thanx for making me look like a genius, Joe!

    Twibil, Sep 14, 2010
  15. jm

    JoeSchmoe Guest

    So that 23 feet diameter under the most perfect of conditions (i.e.,
    walking the bike in a circle).

    The California lollipop dimensions are 19 feet, 6 inches for the inside
    circle, and 21 feet, 9 inches for the outside line.

    What does that tell us about the ability of a typical beginning rider
    taking their first license test on the California lollipop, let alone for
    the Governor of the state, admittedly an experienced rider, on his
    JoeSchmoe, Sep 14, 2010
  16. jm

    Twibil Guest

    And you know that because? Oh wait! You *can't* know that! Because -
    as you keep saying- the stats aren't available.

    Now your only problem is that you've just proven to one and all that
    you pull your "facts" out of your ass.

    Twibil, Sep 14, 2010
  17. jm

    Tim Guest

    I know. I didn't say anything about passing the test, "Joe." I was
    talking about teaching thje course and demonstrating the exercise.
    Try to keep up here.

    And, if you passed the MSF riding test, why did you take the
    California DMV riding test and fail it?
    Really? Where are your statistics to back up that assertion?
    Not if there is an alternative that he prefers that is also available
    to other California riders, if they choose to avail themselves of it.
    An intelligent person can easily figure that out.
    Really? You're sure? How are you sure that "we all know" that? How
    do you know what test he took? I thought you were trying to find that
    out, and you were asking all of US that, and didn't you say you
    thought it was sad that we didn't know? Make up your mind - do we
    all know, or is it sad that none of us know?

    And why do you call it "his own riding test?" Did the governor
    design and implement that test? I beleive it was in place before he
    ever took office.
    Funny you should say that, since there is no evidence at all that you
    find it necessary in general to make your assertions unassailable.
    Make up your mind, You just said that you know that we all know which
    test he took.
    Tim, Sep 14, 2010
  18. jm

    Tim Guest

    A stuffed "Tigger" doll you won at the county fair?
    Tim, Sep 14, 2010
  19. jm

    Tim Guest

    I'm not disparaging anything. I'm just reading and laughing.... at
    you. "Joe."
    Tim, Sep 14, 2010
  20. jm

    Twibil Guest


    If you were an actual rider it would tell you what every real rider
    knows: A bike's turning radius decreases in a direct relationship to
    how far the bike is leaning into a given turn. (That's why your
    steering head points almost perfectly straight ahead while the bike is
    going around a curve. Your suspension geometery is doing the turning
    *for* you. Duh.)

    So: the steering lock circle doesn't describe a bike's minimum turning
    radius unless you happen to be *walking* the bike perfectly upright,
    and, alas for your logic, the DMV test must be ridden without your
    feet touching the ground; which means the bike *is* perforce leaning
    into the turn and is capable of turning much tighter than the steering
    head's deflection would otherwise permit.

    Q: Are you perchance Krusty's long-lost twin brother? There are a lot
    of similarities. The invincible ignorance, the endless repitition of
    invented "facts", the baseless assumptions that always support your
    other baseless assumptions, the accusations that anyone who cites a
    fact that you don't care for is lying, yadda yadda yadda.....

    Looks like there's a new "Sheriff" in town, boys!
    Twibil, Sep 14, 2010
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