DMG crap, at least it's entertaining

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by sturd, Jul 23, 2009.

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    sturd Guest

    sturd, Jul 23, 2009
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    Julian Bond Guest

    I'm trying to delve back in my memory to watching Speed and an advert
    that appeared over and over again during MotoGP races. It was something
    like MMI or some course to learn to be a mechanic and featured
    Luddington saying how doing the course got him the top mechanics job at
    Honda. So the answer to all this is clear. Al should go and work in the
    personal watercraft industry.
    Indeed. It's really quite fun watching it from the outside as DMG stick
    their foot in their mouth and then various newspapers grab the foot and
    shove it somewhere else. Over and over again.
     
    Julian Bond, Jul 23, 2009
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    Dave Guest

    Wow. I just watched the video and I can't believe how Luddington was
    behaving. Regardless if whether JRP was in the right or in the wrong
    on-track, an AMA official should never tee off like that. Telling the
    rider that "he's not it" is damaging to the whole sack-o-shit that DMG
    has been pushing for the past year about how the privateers need to be
    elevated to equal status and equal access to make the show better.

    I must say I've lost all respect for Luddington at this point.
    Fortunately for DMG I didn't have any more to lose for them. However,
    if they want to gain any back they'd fire Al.
     
    Dave, Jul 24, 2009
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    Dirt Guest

    Holy effin' crap. Whatever wish I had to start watching AMA again now
    that they've gone semi-same day coverage just vanished. Not to
    mention that I'm completely canning any plans to attend Heartland Park
    this weekend (I'm 40 miles away). What a complete joke. I'm done
    with the AMA like I was done with the IRL when Tony George imploded
    North American open wheeled racing. Haven't watched it since and I'm
    finished with the AMA until someone else takes over.

    -Dirt-
     
    Dirt, Jul 24, 2009
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    sturd Guest

    sturd, Jul 24, 2009
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    sturd Guest


    How'd that happen? Hit wrong key. Back to 2
    2. The rule book is crap. The rule should mimic what you see
    in MotoGP (usually) though I'm not sure what their rule really is.
    When a blue flag is shown, rider being overtaken gets off the
    line and slows. If racing with another lapper, they shouldn't be
    allowed to pass any further in this race. I think they should
    just trundle back to the pits, race over.

    3. Luddington's rant about the show reveals that he has
    not talked to Edmondson about privateer status. Maybe.


    Go fast. Take chances.
    Mike S.
     
    sturd, Jul 24, 2009
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    Bruce Guest

    yep, I think the "hold the line" is if you are in a particular corner
    not to do something erratic in case someone is coming under or over you
    (or both in some cases) which makes sense. Extending that to maintaining
    the racing line across 5-6 corners in a row is what the issue was and
    JRP should have know better - all the other racers did.
    Bruce
     
    Bruce, Jul 24, 2009
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  8. The rule book makes perfect sense. The interpertation being applied
    by Luddington and others is what is screwed up. With no mirrors you
    don't know when or how you are going to be overtaken. Start looking
    around and your line will become erratic and may cause a problem.
    Move over for the rider you see on the right and you could be cutting
    someone off on the left. Move off your normal line without looking
    back and you could force an overtaking rider off the track. What the
    rule book is saying is just keep doing what you normally do so the
    overtaking rider can predict where you will be when he passes you.
    When lapping traffic the overtaking rider can judge where he will
    overtake the slower rider and plan a line that gets him by with little
    or no loss of time. There are very few places where you can't pass
    someone that is so slow that you are lapping them. Learning how to
    handle traffic used to be considered part of racing.
     
    Bruce Richmond, Jul 30, 2009
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    Julian Bond Guest

    Just been reading,
    http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=37510

    --
    And when we consulted with the manufacturers who have been paying the
    bills and making up the support for this sport, and that has primarily
    been the four Japanese manufacturers, they did not want World Superbike
    rules and made it clear.
    --

    I assume what he means is the SBK teams rather than the Japanese
    manufacturers. And even then I find it surprising. In fact, I have a
    hard time believing it. Much, much more likely is that the manufacturers
    said, just leave the rules untouched for 2009 so we can go racing with
    what we have. And he's just spinning the story.

    --
    RW: And that leads us to the homologation of the Buell 1125RR. Did Erik
    Buell originally request to homologate just a kit of parts to make the
    1125R more competitive in American Superbike?

    RE: Yes, he did. He sent a list of parts he thought were necessary to
    get that bike up to speed, and frankly it was a list I couldn’t allow
    our guys to approve. Then the question came up was there anyway we can
    take this motorcycle, which we’re currently offering to the public,
    and make it competitive. And I said, ‘Yes, if you want to put together
    a race kit and you install it and you’ll support it in terms of
    selling those same pieces to anybody who wants to buy one and if
    you’ll race it, yes, we’ll take a look at homologating a complete
    motorcycle.’
    --

    So Buell wants to homologate parts that would have broken the rule book.
    The AMA rightly throw them out. But put the same parts on a "production"
    racer and suddenly they become legal. Except now he's calling it a
    pre-installed "race kit". Well either those parts are legal or they're
    not. It shouldn't make any difference whether they are supplied as
    parts, as a race kit or as a ready to race package. Makes you wonder how
    many of these RRs Buell has to produce. And now apparently we're back to
    homologation specials. If American Honda commissioned Ten Kate to
    produce 20 replicas of their WSB bike, it would apparently be legal in
    the AMA. Or at least if it wasn't, the AMA would be shown to have double
    standards. Oh... wait...

    Does anyone believe or trust anything this guy says any more?
     
    Julian Bond, Jul 31, 2009
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  10. From the same link, in reguards to other manufactures doing the same
    thing, "We’re going to have to look at what its capability is and if
    we err and we give them too much we can also take away."

    Isn't that wonderful? They might let you do something, but if it
    works too well they take it away. And you just dumped a bunch of time
    and money into developing something you wont be allowed to use.

    Bruce
     
    Bruce Richmond, Aug 1, 2009
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