Dominator rebuild

Discussion in 'Classic Motorbikes' started by Dailew, Jun 30, 2006.

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    Dailew Guest

    Starting a rebuild of the old faithfull Norton 600 (circa 1960) so any
    pearls of wisdom would be appreciated ! Do's & don'ts ?
    Dailew, Jun 30, 2006
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    Shep© Guest

    Shep©, Jul 1, 2006
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    Moon Badger Guest

    Do buy a cheap 35mm compact camera with reasonable lens, or, as Morgan are
    doing an SLR for £50 one of them.

    Do photograph each stage of dismantling.

    Do get lots of large ice cream tubs or tupperware tubs.

    Do get a cheap parts washer, a gallon of paraffin and some cheap

    Do clean the bike before you start and clean each and every component as it
    comes off the bike.

    Do label everything.

    Do store components in the aforementioned tubs.

    Do sketch out the wiring if it is non-standard, ie, generator or ignition
    upgrades over the years.

    Do make a note of things like how many turns a carb jet screw took to seat

    Do work in as clean an environment as possible.

    Do stock up on things like lithium grease, copper grease, moly grease,
    hylomar blue, hylomar red and STP engine assembly grease [1], threadlock,
    Duck oil and that stuff whose name I forget, but is excellent for freeing
    off stuck fasteners.

    Do make certain you have A/F, Whitworth and Metric sockets, open end and
    ring spanners.

    Do use a torque wrench during reassembly and retorque to the values given in
    the manual.

    Do buy latex or poly gloves to keep the crud off the skin and get some
    decent hand cleaner.

    Don't take short cuts or adopt a that'll do attitude.

    Don't assemble dirty components.

    Don't skimp.

    Take your time and enjoy doing it.

    Moon Badger, Jul 1, 2006
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    Ovenpaa Guest

    You have had some good tips from other posters - my goal with Brits is to
    keep them oil tight so here are a couple of my tip:

    Before starting to re-assemble make sure all burrs are removed from mating
    faces, then get a countersink tool and lightly countersink the all bolt and
    stud holes where they mate to another surface.

    Secondly - primary chain cases tend to leak when they have oil in them so
    skip the oil! Sounds drastic but a little bit of chain saw oil on the chain
    is every bit as good as a couple of pints of 20/50 and as long as you re
    lube every 200 miles you should have no problems.

    Two other things also spring to mind, Roadholder fork leg castings are very
    fragile so don't drop them! Also check for rust around the bottom of the
    rear frame tubes behind/below the gearbox - they can rust from the inside
    out and are always over looked.
    Ovenpaa, Jul 1, 2006
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    Timo Geusch Guest

    Actually, I'd rather recommend a digital camera - a decent compact
    doesn't cost that much and the OP can take as many pictures as his
    harddisk holds for pretty much zero cost.
    Very sound advice, that.
    Timo Geusch, Jul 3, 2006
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    Moon Badger Guest

    Theres nothing like having a 5x7 photo to compare with and a copy in the box
    of bits it refers to.

    Digital does have cost advantages, especially in terms of number of
    photographs taken. The ability to enlarge on demand is something else I
    hadn't considered until now.

    I thought that when first given to me.
    Moon Badger, Jul 4, 2006
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    A.Clews Guest

    Thus spake Moon Badger () unto the assembled multitudes:
    Excuse me, but why not print your digital images from your computer? You
    can print it at almost any size you like. Either that or rig up a TV in
    your workshop and connect your digicamera to the telly for instant
    slide-show capability. It's really hard to think of *any* advantages film
    offers over digital photography now, but the advantages of digital over film
    could create a list as long as your arm.
    A.Clews, Jul 5, 2006
  8. Higher res for colour transparencies. Still.
    The Older Gentleman, Jul 5, 2006
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    platypus Guest

    Especially from medium format.
    platypus, Jul 5, 2006
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    Pip Luscher Guest

    Higher res for colour transparencies. Still.[/QUOTE]

    Cool. So with my old SLR I could take really high-resolution
    camera-shake, then?
    Pip Luscher, Jul 5, 2006
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    Timo Geusch Guest

    Larger contrast range & density as well, especially negative film but
    even transparencies.
    Timo Geusch, Jul 5, 2006
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    platypus Guest

    Cool. So with my old SLR I could take really high-resolution
    camera-shake, then?[/QUOTE]

    If you're taking pictures of stuff that isn't moving, put the thing on a
    decent tripod. A good trick is to use the timer: as soon as the shutter
    release is pressed, the mirror flips up. Then there's a few seconds for the
    vibrations from the mirror to die away before the shutter operates.
    platypus, Jul 5, 2006
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    Pip Luscher Guest

    So *that's* what the mirror-holdy-open-thingy was for.

    I did buy a rather cheap plasticy tripod for night shots, along with
    a remote cable. It did help a bit.

    Since I bought a fairly average digital camera a couple of years ago,
    TBH I haven't used the SLR once. In fact, I'm not sure if it hasn't
    still got the last film in it.

    A former G/F has a Lubitel TLR larg(er) format camera: dirt cheap and
    fiddly to use but oddly rewarding.
    Pip Luscher, Jul 5, 2006
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    A.Clews Guest

    Thus spake The Older Gentleman () unto the assembled multitudes:
    Yebbut only if you want to blow them right up or project them onto the side
    of a building. Your everyday prints are just as good as those from film.
    A.Clews, Jul 5, 2006
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    A.Clews Guest

    Thus spake Timo Geusch () unto the assembled multitudes:
    <John Cleese in Life of Brian>
    Right, so apart from higher res (still) from colour transperencies
    (especially medium format), and larger contrast range & density as well,
    especially negative film but even transparencies, *what* advantages if any
    does film offer over digital...?
    </John Cleese>

    A.Clews, Jul 5, 2006
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    platypus Guest

    Infra-red film
    Compressing the tonal range, Zone system and other stuff needing manual
    exposure control and tricksy developing
    Camera movements

    Admittedly some of these are advantages of film cameras rather than film per
    se, but that's what you get with film. Plus you get enormous flexibility in
    format, especially in the larger sizes. Just in 120 sizes, you can have
    6x4.5, 6x6, 6x7, 6x9, 6x12 and 6x17. A 6x9cm image has the same proportions
    as a standard 35mm frame, but more than six times the area. If that's not
    sharp enough, large format cameras start with quarter-plate (5x4in) and go
    up to 14x11in and beyond. Of course, with any cut-film format, you go
    through acres of film, but who can deny the temptation to cut loose with a
    decent view camera?
    platypus, Jul 6, 2006
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    platypus Guest

    I've shot the same subject with 35mm and 6x6cm, and even printed at
    approximately the same size, the difference in quality is stark.
    platypus, Jul 6, 2006
  18. Erm, when it comes to print quality, for magazines and suchlike, I'd say

    A decent digi will produce reasonable, even good, magazine quality
    images, up to a certain size. A good digi SLR will produce good to
    excellent quality ditto, bigger. You want really good, you want colour
    transparency film.
    The Older Gentleman, Jul 6, 2006
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    A.Clews Guest

    Thus spake The Older Gentleman () unto the assembled multitudes:
    I accept that colour transparency takes a lot of beating at the moment, but
    I've had a Nikon D70 digital SLR since July last year and I'm delighted
    with the results. I'm not talking about being Patrick Lichfield (who
    incidentally said in an interview shortly before his death that he had been
    using digital cameras *exclusively* for years...but then he did have the
    dosh for the very best), but for sheer ease of use, economy of resources
    and acceptability of results for 'everyday' photography I won't be going
    back to film.
    A.Clews, Jul 6, 2006
  20. same here - I ended up flogging all my SLR stuff on eBay rather than leave
    it gathering dust.
    Austin Shackles, Jul 6, 2006
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