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Discussion in 'Classic Motorbikes' started by Timo Geusch, Nov 12, 2005.

  1. Timo Geusch

    Timo Geusch Guest

    Right, that looks like XL250 Motosport number 2 then...
     
    Timo Geusch, Nov 12, 2005
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  2. Heh.

    One XL250 Motosport in 'reasonable' nick - original paint on undented
    tank, allegedly good engine (old parts from rebuild in box), scrappy
    exhaust, refurbished powder coated frame, original switchgear and cocks
    etc...

    £550 haggled down from £650 (which was a bit strong).

    There was a *fantastic* 1973 T150 up for grabs - re-imported from the
    US, so Export tank in black and dark red, and restored to what looked
    like museum quality to me. And when the geezer started it up, it sounded
    as good as it looked.

    £2750 asking price, which I think was on the cheap side of 'bargain'.

    OTOH, a super-clean (restored, I think) Adler two-stroke twin from
    Germany, looked late 1950s/early 1960s, very nice bike indeed, asking
    price £3950 which Timo reckons was taking the piss to a huge extent.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Nov 12, 2005
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  3. Timo Geusch

    Timo Geusch Guest

    *Cocks*? What exactly have I bought here? Some farmyard p0rn?

    Actually if it's really made in 1972 then all I'm interested is the
    frame and then engine. Swap the rest over from mine as it's got really
    good bodywork, a reasonable seat and decentish forks (not to mention
    new wheels), possibly also swap over the new wiring loom that's on
    mine. Then either put the grottier bits on my frame and sell it on as a
    non-runner resto project or have an XL250 break fest and sell lots of
    parts.
    Some haggle. I think it went something like this:

    "Would you take 550?"

    "Got to make a phone call"

    Couple of minutes later

    "OK"

    :)
    So did yu buy it then?
    It's probably an MB250, did it look like one of these?

    http://www.adler-oldtimer.de/world.htm

    There's a resto one on fleabay Germany for EUR 1750 buy-it-now which I
    already think is excessive. But for some reason they seem to attract
    massive prices here in the UK. Hmm. I can smell an arbitrage
    opportunity if they'd actually go for that kind of dosh here.
     
    Timo Geusch, Nov 12, 2005
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  4. Same colour, similar, but with proper swinging arm rear end.

    I don't think it sold, either.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Nov 12, 2005
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  5. Timo Geusch

    Timo Geusch Guest

    Hmm. I consulted my "Tragatsch"[1] and while he only shows MB250s with
    the plunger rear end (with the exception of an MB250 RS race bike) he
    mentions that from 56/57 onwards the frame would have a rear swing arm.

    Actually it doesn't have to be a 250 either, they did several
    capacities from I think 150cc upwards and the 200cc one was a fairly
    bigger seller in Germany (I think back then you still could ride up to
    200cc without taking a test). They were supposed to be amongst the best
    250cc bikes built in Germany at that time and were certainly one of the
    most expensive ones.
    Surprise...
     
    Timo Geusch, Nov 12, 2005
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  6. He'd be the footnote thief, would he?

    (Wish I had a copy of Erwin's meisterwerke, actually)
     
    The Older Gentleman, Nov 12, 2005
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  7. Timo Geusch

    Timo Geusch Guest

    Well, apart from the fact that they're in German only, I'm happy to
    bring my copy with me when I come to pick up the XL.

    I've got the reissue that they did a couple of years ago and that may
    well still be in print so if you're interested I can have a look into
    sourcing another copy.
     
    Timo Geusch, Nov 12, 2005
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    platypus Guest

    My brother has a copy he got about 30 years ago, in English, published by
    Hamlyn IIRC.
    I was looking at the the Kevin Ash edition in a cheap bookshop a couple of
    months ago. Should have bought it, really.
     
    platypus, Nov 12, 2005
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  9. Timo Geusch

    Timo Geusch Guest

    Ah, I didn't know that there was an English edition. I think it's a set
    of books worth having (there are four in total, but the German reissue
    sticks them into one volume) if you want to identify obscure stuff up
    to about the mid sixties.

    They were written in the 1970s and 80s so the majority of classics
    around here were either new or still just basic used bikes...
    Indeed, it's a book worth having.
     
    Timo Geusch, Nov 13, 2005
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  10. Timo Geusch

    Naqerj Guest

    Er... I'm confused... are you both talking about the same book?

    I have a couple of editions of Tragatsch's Illustrated Encyclopaedia of
    Motorcycles. One is published by Hamlyn - 1st edition was 1977, mine's
    a 1979 reprint. T'other was published by Greenwich Editions in 2000 and
    has been updated by Kevin Ash. (ISBN 0-86266-273-7 may come in handy
    for aspiring purchasers.) Hugo Wilson's Encyclopaedia is also useful
    for mopping up some of the really obscure makes that Tragatsch missed.
     
    Naqerj, Nov 13, 2005
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  11. Timo Geusch

    Timo Geusch Guest

    Yes, we are, only that I'm talking about the German editions as I
    wasn't aware that they ever were translated into English, comprende?

    To make matters more confusing the original German edition was
    published over four volumes within several years. This particular
    edition has been unobtainable in Germany for dog-knows-how-long. A few
    years ago a German motoring publishing house put an
    all-four-volumes-in-a-single-book reissue out, which is what I've got.
    Right, and that's what confused me because I didn't know that there was
    an English one in the first place.
    Ngngngng. Yes it is handy.
    Wot, even more obscure? That's a tad worrying.
     
    Timo Geusch, Nov 14, 2005
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    'Hog Guest

    message
    Ray Gun silencers?
    did it sell?

    'Hog
     
    'Hog, Nov 14, 2005
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  13. Can't remember about the pipes. Therte was an enthusiastic prospect on
    it, revving it up, and at that price, it would have been a miracle if it
    hadn't sold. It was *gorgeous*.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Nov 14, 2005
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  14. Timo Geusch

    Naqerj Guest

    It was the four volumes thing that confused me. Looking at my older
    copy, I thought that if it was divided into four volumes they'd be
    rather slim. That made me wonder if there could be a bigger, more
    comprehensive version.

    There are some - 'NAIT' spotting was all the rage in the classic
    magazines a few years back. I can't remember what the A stood for -
    it's Not <something-beginning-with-A> In Tragatsch.
     
    Naqerj, Nov 14, 2005
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  15. Timo Geusch

    Timo Geusch Guest

    Well, the reissue I've got here is about 720 pages in total and
    contains the four volumes that I'm aware of - the last two are dated
    around 83 and 84 (Tragatsch died in 1984).
    Heh. He actually doesn't mention *that* many bikes - a rough guess
    suggests that the four volumes list about 70 makes in total...
     
    Timo Geusch, Nov 14, 2005
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  16. I keep reading that as "Tragtasch"...

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    Dr Ivan D. Reid, Nov 15, 2005
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  17. Timo Geusch

    Naqerj Guest

    Ah, the thot plickens... my 1977 edition has a mere 320 pages.

    We can't be talking about the same book - just counting all the makes
    beginning with A comes to over 100.
     
    Naqerj, Nov 15, 2005
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