Driver fined for clutching apple

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Steve Parry, Jan 25, 2005.

  1. Steve Parry

    Steve Parry Guest

    "A woman who held an apple while driving a car around a corner has been
    fined £60 and ordered to pay £100 costs.

    Sarah McCaffery was pulled over in December 2003 by police who
    mistakenly thought she was on her mobile phone.

    They spotted the fruit and issued her with a £30 ticket saying she was
    not in proper control of her Ford Ka. "

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/4203375.stm

    Seems a bit "over zealous" or is it that once the trafpol had stopped
    her thinking she was using a mobile phone they did'nt like to admit
    they'd made a mistake?


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    Steve Parry, Jan 25, 2005
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  2. Steve Parry

    Ace Guest

    Sounds pretty reasonable to me. She was holding an apple in her right
    hand while negotiating a turn, ergo she couldn't have been holding the
    wheel properly.
     
    Ace, Jan 25, 2005
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    flash Guest

    Probably a Gmac.
     
    flash, Jan 25, 2005
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  4. Steve Parry

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    Ace fumbled, fiddled and fingered:
    .... so changing gear in a left hand drive car, while turning is a "no
    no" then?


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    Steve Parry, Jan 25, 2005
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    Ace Guest

    With an apple in the left hand I'd have thought so, yes.
     
    Ace, Jan 25, 2005
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    Martin Guest

    I heard this one on the radio this morning and thought it was a bit OTT
    however had the bint crashed into someone killing them whilst eating
    said apple and possibly choked on it and died as well the uproar would
    have been huge. New laws forbidding the sale of apples to the driving
    public would have been passed, even carrying an apple in the car would
    get points and a fine not to mention the children the poor children
    imagine not being able to eat an apple whilst their parents drive them
    to and from school.

    An apple a day keeps the doctor away? Rubbish, bloody fruit of satan.
    See what that Eve has done for us, not to mention the bleeding snake!
    Adam should have kept it in his pants!

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    Martin, Jan 25, 2005
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  7. Steve Parry

    Steve Parry Guest

    Doesnotcompute fumbled, fiddled and fingered:

    Agreed but the principle of appears to be that if you have a hand off
    the wheel you are not in proper control of the vehicle. So whatever the
    reason, be it to hold an apple, operate a switch, change gear etc you
    hand is off the wheel.

    I'm not agreeing or condoning with either side on this it just seems a
    bit over the top when the officers could have had a word with her rather
    than a full blown court case. This style of policing is never going to
    be seen as much more than petty by the public.

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    Steve Parry, Jan 25, 2005
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    Martin Guest

    Steve Parry wrote:
    [snip]
    <tracy emin mode>
    It has provoked debate though and is therefore *art*.
    <temo/>

    Seriously though, it may make someone stop and think about tucking into
    a snack while driving or even make people think about the consequences
    of their actions whilst driving which isn't a bad thing.

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    Martin, Jan 25, 2005
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    Cab Guest

    Steve Parry bored us all completely to death with wittery prose along
    the lines of:
    I tend to be in the right gear for making turns and rarely (IME) change
    gear whilst in a turn.

    But to throw it back your way. If she had the apple in her right hand
    and was changing gear int the turn, how was she controlling the car?
     
    Cab, Jan 25, 2005
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    rb Guest

    What sort of situations? Poor planning? Failure to read the road ahead?
    I'd have thought that the core argument is if you have something
    already in your right hand then how can you then use your left hand to
    indicate/change gear/etc when actually you need to?
    a'peel'ed and that's why there was an overblown court case complete
    with aerial photographs of the scene. This waste of money is the real
    story IMO.
     
    rb, Jan 25, 2005
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    wessie Guest

    Steve Parry emerged from their own little world to say

    That's not what the magistrate said. He acknowledged that removing a
    hand from the wheel is appropriate in some circumstances. The magistrate
    opined that the driver was not in full control of the vehicle, as her
    concentration was distracted by the apple. If the driver was changing
    gear then her action would be consistent with having full control of the
    vehicle.
    It was the driver that chose to go to court. She was offered a fixed
    penalty. Once that decision was taken the police were obliged to collect
    and present evidence to the same standard as any other case.
     
    wessie, Jan 25, 2005
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    Champ Guest

    **** off you tedious ****.
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    Champ, Jan 25, 2005
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    MikeH Guest

    Seed of a thread there.
     
    MikeH, Jan 25, 2005
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    Ben Blaney Guest

    Let's face it, it's *obvious* that she was nicked for being a fucking
    terrible driver, and this is all they could pin on her.

    It's fine by me.
     
    Ben Blaney, Jan 25, 2005
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    sweller Guest

    It's possible that the police originally intended to do that but when
    they were met with "why aren't you out catching proper criminals, I pay
    your wages" or something similar they may have changed their approach.

    What's the whole story?
     
    sweller, Jan 25, 2005
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    Catman Guest

    Correct
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    Catman, Jan 25, 2005
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  17. Steve Parry

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    sweller fumbled, fiddled and fingered:
    <snip>

    Well they certainly were'nt overworking themselves looking for stolen T
    reg Ducati 750's were they ;o)


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    Steve Parry, Jan 25, 2005
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    rb Guest

    It was a Ford Ka FFS, I'd say they were lenient.
     
    rb, Jan 25, 2005
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  19. I think Trafpol were quite correct in their actions.

    I mean, a bloody apple ffs, surely everyone knows the only legal "on the
    move" snack is the humble Ginsters pastie.
     
    oldbloke at work, Jan 25, 2005
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    wessie Guest

    oldbloke at work emerged from their own little world to say
    bzzt

    Yorkie bar
     
    wessie, Jan 25, 2005
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