Ducati stolen

Just as a point of clarification.... The pre raid investigation didn't
even go as far as finding out who owned the garage. The police had to
ask me for this info.

Surely that should have been one of the first things they looked into?

 

In communiqué

IIRC you said there are only 'To Let' signs and a phone number. Could be
just a letting agent rather than the actual owner. It isn't always easy
to find out who actually owns a building or piece of land. Sometimes the
only way is by a Land Registry enquiry. Perhaps they considered (rightly
or wrongly) that time was of the essence.

Still it does tend to suggest that the owner wasn't implicated. That
just leaves the dodgy looking geezer who put a fancy red motorbike in
there the other day.



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It was told in full on here.

The Kent Plod tried to fit me up as "The Drug Baron of Kent"

Big house, fast car, fast bike, doesn't work, must be a drug dealer.
Fabricate some evidence to put in front of a Judge for a warrant.

You could not make it up what they got up to and said. And the follow
up.

 

The fact that they hadn't even bothered to find out who owned the garage
before taking a disc cutter to the door does sound like negligence to
me.

 

the problem is, antony, that you appear to be defending the
heavy-handed actions of the police, working on sub-standard ci. if
that's the world you want to live in, count me out.

it also appears that you are taking this position because there's
personal property involved, which is even more sad.

 

<types long reply>
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<can't be arsed>

 

Assuming you can actually get hold of the letting agent.

No shit.

For conventional properties with straightforward addresses it's usually
just a case of using Land Registry Direct (*during the access hours*).

I don't think the aerial land locator is 100% for other buildings and
land, so, as you say, it may require a fax, which a human has to answer.

That's assuming the land in question is actually registered. Probably
the case though TBF, given that there are garages on it.

Given time, no. I don't know if the police have special out of hours
arrangements for such eventualities.

Whether this raid had to be mounted so precipitously as to preclude
being in possession of that information beforehand is the valid
question.

No argument about there being incompetence.
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A further update.

Obviously calling me on the mobile number they have was likely to get
them a bit of an ear-bashing, so they went for the option of leaving a
message on my home answerphone.

'We've faxed the recovery agent to let them know we're releasing the
bike. You're welcome to collect at your convenience'

Well, that's not happening given the fact that most of S. Wales is under
4in+ of snow this week....

'Phone your landlord, tell him to fix the door, and send the bill to us'

That's not happening, either. The officer who got trigger happy should
be facing up to his responsibilities and grovelling to my landlord at
this point, IMHO.

They'll be getting a rather fucked off phone call tomorrow....

 

(SteveH) wrote in

spineless ****

haha, cheeky fuckers

not that much here, 2ins max, plus it's melting

I think my patience would be eroded by now. I'd be writing to the Chief
Muppet in the Division asking for the bike to be returned to me at their
expense, plus an appraisal of their appalling customer service.

 

suit yourself

 

Not _yet_, no...

 

If it was my phone call it'd be informing them that they can deliver
the fucking bike back to where they removed it from, or another place
where the fucking door isn't destroyed, and at their expense as well. I
certainly would not be putting myself out to go and collect it from
anywhere at all.

Cheeky cunts

 

I'd be insisting they get the door fixed, _before_ the bike came back,
but that as a compromise I would accept a 24 hour police guard on the
garage until such a time as they could make good on the repairs.

 

<watches thread>

 

TBH, if it was me I think I would have made contact with the landlord
before now. OK, it might be plod's incompetence that caused the
situation. but I would want to hear what the landlord knew, or didn't
know about what went on from the horse's mouth.

Certainly time to go higher and in writing. Tell them that you have been
keeping a list of all expenses you are subject to as a result of their
incompetence, including the cost of phone calls, which will be the
subject of a claim.

I think I would also want to go and at least have a look at the bike.
The sooner you know whether it has suffered any damage already the
better. Naturally they should continue to store it at no cost until it
is convenient to recover it to a secure place of your choosing, and plod
should agree to either arrange for transport or meet your costs.


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I wouldn't do 'fucked off' if I were you, more 'well I was willing to
give you the benefit of the doubt, but it appears you're not taking
this matter that seriously after all and I'm wondering why it is I
should continue to be reasonable in the circumstances, Inspector',
whilst smiling sweetly and thumbing through the phone book to look up
the number of various newspapers.

Yes, I can appreciate they're *very* busy and probably have *better*
things to do... but you're almost certainly not the first, (and I'm
sure you won't be the last), who will end up in this situation.

Best to give them as much to reflect on with regards to the error of
their ways, in the hope they might not feck anyone else around in the
same way, no?

 

Blimey, JackH being The Voice of Reason.

<Checks gravimeter for wobbling of Planet Earth>

 

Oh yes, because threats veiled in clingfilm are often the best way to
sweeten up someone from whom you need help but holds the power to make
life miserable.

Perhaps "I understood from you that this was a genuine mistake and that
you would take all pains to rectify it, I am disappointed to see that
your colleagues aren't taking it as seriously as you do, perhaps you
can help with enabling them to make good on your word?"

Which tells the Inspector that you know it's not his fault and you're
being very kind in letting him get his team in order. He also realises
that the buckstop is being placed at his feet - without any form of
threat being made.

Explain that you expect the garage to be made good before the bike is
moved further, that when the time comes, the bike needs to be delivered
to the garage at a time convenient to you in order that you can inspect
the condition of the bike.

followed by

"...and if there's anything I need to do in order to help your team
rectify the situation, please do let me know".

Which they won't dare to, but makes you just so damn reasonable.

 

Threats?

There's no threat there - it's merely a way of calmly explaining that,
given none of this is your fault and you've been reasonable to date,
you don't expect to be clearing up their mess after them and you
expect said mess to be cleared up with a sense of urgency and
professionalism, and the overall impression being that they've got a
good handle on events so far... not least because IMHO, Steve has been
pretty patient to date, even factoring in the fact its holiday time.

One thing that I'm pretty certain of with regards to the 'why bother'
merchants who've popped up in this thread, is that they invariably
would be taking a different stance had this happened to their
property.

The nub of this is, they fucked up initially - that, cannot now be
helped and is something which can be discussed and dissected by them
for the purposes of finger pointing in due course, at their leisure.

But now that they've acknowledged they fucked up, they should be
making good swiftly, not least because if I were one of the plods
responsible, I'd be keen to limit the likely fallout from all this
that is surely coming their way from above within their own
organisation given the comments of the Inspector (1) that Steve
originally spoke to after it came to light they'd actually lifted the
bike.

(1) I believe the term used to describe his colleagues was
'incompetent'.

 

Yes, threats.

"I'm wondering why it is should continue to be reasonable"

Is just another way of saying "I'm going to become unreasonable".

There you go again, suggesting that the reasonableness will come to an end.