Earn a little extra cash?

I hadn't, but do, so thanks - I'll check it out.

 

and what about oncology or chemicals that damage stuff?
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Their employees probably don't need the extra money but lentil eating
students do. Two reasons not to use their own staff.

 

So the choice is between employees (so they'll know who has been
exposed to what), and unknown people who they have no idea who has been
exposed to what.

Again, the choice being they can find alternate "safe" work for their
own employees or they have no control over what external people do for
a living or where they go.

Two reasons why these companies should try to use their own staff.
[/QUOTE]
Apart from if you use your own staff and then have to exclude them from
the workplace, then who is going to do the work until they are able to
return?

 

That was better than my answer

 

I was basing my answer on the people I know that work for drug
companies and my experience of students.

 

Adrienne M Bonwick scribbled:

Are you saying that they do give chemicals that cause damage to people
in these drug trials? <boggle>

 

Tim scribbled:

Apart from if you use your own staff and then have to exclude them
from the workplace, then who is going to do the work until they are
able to return?[/QUOTE]

The lentil eating students of course.

They get paid a lot more that way!

 

Are you saying that they do give chemicals that cause damage to people
in these drug trials? <boggle>
[/QUOTE]
Of course they do. The chemicals may have to kill body cells, e.g.
cancer. You cannot yet get 100% specific take-up by the cancer cell.
There is always the risk that the product is harmful. If you were to try
to launch paracetamol now as a new product it would be unlikely to pass
the current tests because of the side-effects and over-dose risks.

 

So only drugs which are shown to work in conjunction with a lentil
diet are released to market? Scary.

 

of course they do. normally on people with absolutely no hope and are
willing to take *anything* in the hope that even if its too late for
them it may help someone else.

these people deserve a medal. would you give something that is likely
to cause major damage to cells to healthy people?

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I caught a tantalising not-quite-enough of a radio discussion about this
last week. The interviewee was saying that a trial-drug to fix a disease
was safe to test on non-sufferers, because - without a target - it would
have no effect on the disease and they could monitor its effect on the rest
of the body. In this case, however, they were testing an immune-system
booster on people who already had a fully-functioning immune system. What
they were doing was analagous to "clocking" the volunteers' immune systems,
and thus the overload had rapid and catastrophic consequences.

 

If this current **** up is a case where testing on animals didn't turn
up anything and testing on humans did, isn't it plausible that if tests
on animals produced adverse effects, the use of the drug on humans may
not?
[/QUOTE]
I'd rather wait the results of the enquiry.

Lots and lots. Seriously lots. If any tests on cultures show-up negative
results it won't even reach animal testing. Remember that the animals
are transgenic and not just something you can get from a pet-shop
suppliers.

 

No, you donut. "Chemicals that damage stuff" I assumed to mean "here,
drink this warming cup of sulphuric acid" extent of damage.
[/QUOTE]
It's "doughnut".

Just look at platinum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisplatin) then.
It's an extremely aggressive treatment for carcinoma and you really
wouldn't want to go anywhere near it unless you thought that it'd give
you a chance.

 

Tim? He'z just ziz guy, you know?

I'd rather wait the results of the enquiry.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking more in general terms, but yes its based on an
assumption.

Great. Seriously good to know that its being used a lot.

I hope they eventually replace animal/human testing this way.

 

I don't think that's remotely possible. Testing on what are basically
undifferentiated cells will not tell us what will happen when all of the
various types of specialised cells are exposed to a new drug. It won't
show what happens in the environment of a whole organism, in different
states of health, age, nutrition, etc.

With suitable advances it may be possible to make more use of cell
cultures in the early stages; weeding out those drugs which are less
likely to be beneficial. But at the end of the process testing on humans
will be essential, and before that on other mammals.

It's not an ideal situation but it's the best we've got and over the years
it's provided us with a lot of very useful medicines.

 

A Lump in a tank. We have one already.

Lots of them, in fact. Pity it's illegal to use them.
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they do specific analyses on different age groups and the trials are
designed for different stages of health. there are also specific
trials on interactions between food and different drug interactions.

I see the latest revelations show that the animal tests did show
enlarged glands. perhaps they should have paid more attention to those
tests.

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