Edible hats at the ready guys...

Discussion in 'Classic Motorbikes' started by tallbloke, Jul 6, 2003.

  1. tallbloke

    tallbloke Guest

    Ok you doubting and piss-taking f*ckers :)

    Herewith the reply from Wolfgang Evers, owner and builder of the 140mph
    Commando.

    I'd like to take a trip up the strip on his Danish mates turbo'd one,

    :cool:))


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    Hi Roger
    The answer to your Question is I self go with the Commando(920ccm,
    Nearly 80PS) 225 kph at 7000RPM ,With no Fairing and normal Handlebar,
    if you look in the theoretical road speed list in TheMaintance
    Manual,Speed in Mph

    GearSprocket Teeth
    19
    20
    21
    22
    23
    24
    25


    Overall Gear Ratio
    4,84
    4,6
    4,38
    4,18
    3,99
    3,83
    3,62

    Engine RPM/MPH
    6000
    92
    97
    102
    106
    112
    117
    121

    RPM
    6500
    99
    105
    110
    115
    121
    126
    131


    7000
    107
    113
    119
    124
    130
    136
    141


    Sprockets : Engine 26 T,Clutch57T, Rear 42T ,

    A dansk friend have a Commando with turbocarger the bike have 100 PS on
    the
    back Wheel ; Tested on a Teststand,live seen.
    Or you see the Answer in the Book Norton Twins at Page 79. Motorcycle
    Illustrated tested an 850 carefully run in and then tuned in accordance
    with a service data sheet ,insalled a small fairing and geared up to
    24-tooth gearbox sprocket .The bike was timed with 142,74 mph

    I hope this where helpfull for you
    Wolfgang and greatings to Dale and Yaitie

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    Please would someone quote this in full for Bears benefit - Ta.

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    tallbloke, Jul 6, 2003
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  2. <fx: boggle>

    quoted for bear
     
    Doesnotcompute, Jul 6, 2003
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  3. With what relevance?

    I'm not surprised that they can be tuned and modified to go fast, at
    the expense of what Norton might have laughably referred to as
    "reliability".

    I would be astounded if a production standard one could equal that.

    Even the Norton 750 Commando production race model my mate bought new
    around 1973? wouldn't go that fast.
     
    Christopher Des Clayes, Jul 6, 2003
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    Muck Guest

    On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 23:07:20 +0100, Champ wrote:

    Bloody hell that's bad. He must have liked the bike to keep replacing main
    bearings though, or had it on hp.
     
    Muck, Jul 6, 2003
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  5. Muck said:
    Or a cheap and plentiful supply of bearings.
     
    Simon Atkinson, Jul 6, 2003
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  6. tallbloke

    tallbloke Guest

    Christopher Des Clayes <[email protected]> spouted the following in

    At the risk of becoming repetitive, let me remind you that Champs
    original challenge was to

    "Find me one road going commando that can do 140mph"

    Nothing in that specifies a production standard model as far as I can
    see.
    Well Wolfgang has kept his running for years. Sure things will wear
    faster, but AFAIK he has had no catastrophic failures.

    Some similar performance YAM TRX motors have a fairly short life too.

    Some specific commando models did have serious problems, notably with
    main bearing breakup, but these were addressed and solved a lot quicker
    than HONDA got around to fixing their camchain problems...
    True, they were supposed to do 135mph.

    IIRC Mick Grant and his team mate took 1st and 2nd in the production TT
    that year on 'em. :)

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    tallbloke, Jul 6, 2003
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  7. tallbloke said:

    Why do you capitalise Honda in that way? It's not an acronym, it's a
    name.
     
    Simon Atkinson, Jul 6, 2003
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  8. tallbloke

    tallbloke Guest

    That'll do for me :)

    Ah, still want it both ways then. OK I took a debate which started out
    about production models and shifted it to include 'specials'. My
    defense is, that brit iron is *worth* making into something special. You
    really grow to love you fave bike, and continue to develop it over the
    years to keep up with the fast boys on the shiny new jappers.
    Never was unhappy. Got a bit tired of the piss taking I'll admit. Still,
    this is UKRM and I'm still learning not to take it or myself too
    seriously :)
    Maybe he should have spoken to someone who knew and fitted superblends.

    Honestly Champ, a well sorted and screwed together Commando can be fast
    *and* reliable.

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  9. tallbloke

    tallbloke Guest

    It is too an acronym. Stands for:

    Had One, Never Drive Another. :p',',',',

    Anyway, they always spell HONDA in capitals on the tank badges don't
    they?

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    tallbloke, Jul 6, 2003
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    tallbloke Guest

    I don't know why I bothered ;-)

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  11. tallbloke said:
    There is a difference between posting to Usenet and painting a petrol
    tank.
     
    Simon Atkinson, Jul 6, 2003
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    Salad Dodger Guest

    Formula 750 TT.

    NOT Production.
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    Salad Dodger, Jul 7, 2003
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  13. tallbloke

    tallbloke Guest

    LOL, at 142mph they look, er <VROOOOM> cor!, did you see that? ;-)

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  14. tallbloke

    tallbloke Guest

    Oh, I don't know. Waiting for replies to posts can be a bit like
    watching paint dry. ;-)


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    sweller Guest

    tallbloke wrote

    Difference being that the Jap bikes can be relied to do it again and
    again with nothing more than basic maintenance.

    Even 70's Guzzis, as *standard*, can consistently run at maximum speed
    without the need for major surgery every weekend.
     
    sweller, Jul 7, 2003
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  16. tallbloke

    Ben Blaney Guest

    (a) **** that.
    (b) Bollocks.
     
    Ben Blaney, Jul 7, 2003
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  17. tallbloke

    tallbloke Guest

    sweller <> spouted the following in

    Discovered this from personal experience have we?

    Maybe *you* can't get a fast commando to run reliably. Doesn't follow
    that someone with a bit of capability in the mechaniching department
    can't though.

    70's Guzzis (I own one) are not exactly overstressed tuning wise. They
    are wonderful bikes and if you go all the way back to where the argument
    started, I drew a comparison between 'italian and british bikes in the
    seventies', and Japcrap; not just Britters.

    It got narrowed down to a brit vs jap argument by TOG and Champ, who has
    now graciously acknowledged that there are commandos which can do
    140mph, which was the key issue. Happy though I am to have a discussion
    about reliability, it's another debate.

    I wish you and Bear would just acknowledge that commandos can do 140mph+
    and move on.

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    tallbloke Guest

    Ah but you're not exactly a keen spanner wielder are you Ben? [1]

    [1] From what I've gathered on this NG.

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  19. tallbloke

    sweller Guest

    tallbloke wrote
    Yes they (Commandos) can do 140 mph, but not straight out of the box.

    And to continue doing so requires someone with mechanical ability
    greater than mine, apparently.

    Whereas 'Japcrap' will do it out of the box and doesn't need a support
    crew to continue to do it.

    British machines were good but became complacent and since the sixties
    were overtaken by better and more, dare I say, desirable products.

    It's not necessary to defend the honour of a dead industry at every
    turn. It's even less interesting and certainly less relevant than the
    Linux vs Windows argument.
    Heh, I don't think that we're the ones that need to move on...
     
    sweller, Jul 7, 2003
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    Ginge Guest

    You've found one 2 miles an hour faster then?
     
    Ginge, Jul 7, 2003
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