Educatiing Brian (was: Keith Schiffner)

Discussion in 'Texas Bikers' started by Road Glidin' Don, Jan 17, 2005.

  1. On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 04:08:43 -0600, "Brian Walker"

    Yeah, I know I shouldn't do this... but this reply would otherwise be
    buried deep in a thread and I think it's worth bringing to the surface
    (to answer some misconceptions being spread around)...
    Apparently your father's reading comprehension has topped yours on
    that point because the pedestrian's race had been mentioned
    tangentially before [1] and, in your father's "One for the record
    books" post, he expended 2 paragraphs trying to show how much
    familiarity he had, based on partying with 3 overweight,
    pointy-toothed Canadian native women who had been financed with
    "timber money" in Seattle, years ago when he was young - as if that
    somehow gave him some incredible insight into what actually went on in
    the incident in question.

    Only appropriate and called-for, in that light, that I referred to my
    background on the same subject, I'd say.

    Without you having life experience in the region I was travelling
    through, it's probably impossible to impart understanding to you
    (especially in light of your attitude). Never-the-less, some of that
    background context can be said to have factored into my choice to
    either pull over (and see what's up) or carry on and not regard the
    situation as terribly unusual and requiring my intervention.

    And, as things turned out, guess what, Brian? I *was* 100% correct in
    my assessment of the situation ahead of me. The woman *was* drunk and
    extremely belligerent - precisely the reason why stopping to have a
    chit-chat would have been a bad idea!

    Although I was still in open country, I was soon to be arriving at
    High Prairie; where some things *do* happen. So my thinking was, "I
    don't care to get in some road-side incident with a person who is
    suffering from nothing else than a simple case of drinking too much."

    So let's just say that I have some experience - have been involved in
    such things before - and know that, usually, the best course is to not
    even get started.

    When you're riding solo, sitting on a bike, it's pretty hard to manage
    the situation of an aggressive, unpredictable drunk (also with a lot
    of body weight, in this case). And, if damage occurs to the bike and
    police have to come to the scene, you'd be mighty surprised at how
    people can fabricate very serious, made-up charges and cause you a
    world of trouble. Add to that the fact that situations like that can
    sometimes be setups (bait, with individuals waiting in cover).

    Like I said, you're better advised to not get started. Had I been
    travelling with another rider (i.e. witness), I might have stopped,

    Unlike your father's feeble attempt to display some depth of
    experience among the people of the area (on the basis of a drinking
    episode in Seattle) - the place *I* was returning from that day was a
    remote Indian reserve (located near the Alberta/B.C./N.W.T. border),
    where I had spent the previous few days staying over with my in-laws.
    It's not necessary to go into great detail on that, but suffice to say
    there are drunks alongside the road every hour of the day there and
    you'd better handle yourself right. (motorcycle content: 10 or so
    miles of rought, gravel roads to ride, to get there too! ;)

    You know, if you guys were not so obsessed with finding any excuse you
    can to destroy peoples' reputations, you might even learn some
    interesting things about things you don't know much about. That,
    often, is one of the good things about participating in an
    international forum, such as this.

    Take, for instance, your repeated confusing of the term
    "treaty-status" to be some kind of marriage arrangement. There are
    natives who have lived mainly in the cities and there are natives from
    reserves. In Canada, the "treaty-status" adjective generally infers
    more of the latter (and that particular set of social conditions);
    quite pertinent to the subject at hand - in light of your questioning
    my competence to make a decision about the situation that later
    unfolded ahead of me, prior to the accident.

    "Treaty-status" natives tend to have been born and raised on reserves,
    lived a more traditional lifestyle and still retain inherited "treaty
    rights" (rights laid out in treaties the British signed in return for
    large portions of native-occupied land).


    [1] In connection with the point that
    suicide-accomplished-by-jumping-into-the-path-of-a-vehicle has been a
    noted phenomenom, near reserve lands.

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  2. Road Glidin' Don

    Bill Walker Guest

    "Misconceptions".. LMAO.. I'd say so..
    hmm.. You time line may be a little bit "misconcepted" in this little
    "whatever it is".. I've partied with many different nationalities ..
    Japanese, and many other oriental nationalities, including filipino..
    Australians, Italians and french.. Mexicans included in all these
    histrionics.. Whatever the point is to this litany, race wasn't a factor
    until you brought it up, yourself.. Brian nor I mentioned it till you did..
    Your own report of the incident on your website told us that you had run
    over a 300 pound woman pedestrian..
    The region has nothing whatsoever to do with anything, pedestrians can be
    found in "any region" EVERYWHERE..

    Never-the-less, some of that
    Running over a woman the size of a semi should be "intervention" enough..
    LOL.. I'd suspect she'd rather that you just take precautionary evasion
    tactics and not "intervened" at all..
    hmmm.. A drug craxed moose is also a threat to a motorcyclists.. That is a
    very good reason why a seasoned biker usually doesn't freeze and hit one of
    them bad boys..As agile as this pedestrian was, from you description of the
    event, that motorcycle .. running at 60 mph didn't have a chance ..huh..
    Never been to High Prairie .. that I recall.. maybe just passing or some
    such.. hmmm.. Was that where you killed someone in a "fist fight" ? That
    drug crazed drunk woman pedestrian must have scared you too much.. Maybe
    that's why you froze and hit her.. huh.. Showboat ?
    Yep.. that's what I've been saying all along. You should not have frozen ..
    Apparently .. it was open highway.. Not many obstructions of you sight
    line.. You were observing the woman as you approached at 60 mph..Instead of
    evasive tactics, "it was your bike" you hit the woman .. You were frozen in
    fear of her and you hit her..
    There seems to have been a world of witnesses that come and go, according to
    whichever part of this fairy tale that you are trying to justify.. Since you
    were forced to stop that motorcycle after you struck that pedestrian, I'd
    suspect that you were really in a sweat of a "world of trouble"... right
    Showboat ?

    Add to that the fact that situations like that can
    Uh Oh.. Back to the invisible peeps, again.. Ah Well.. C'mon "top of the
    food chain".. No one was hiding anywhere.. You were showboating for the
    bystanders watching the motorcycle.. While you were distracted with all your
    showboating, one of them got in the way and you froze, failed to react and
    ran over the drug crazed, drunk 300 pound native Indian woman, pedestrian..
    Maybe.. Riding with another, he might have led you through by reacting and
    evading that lady..
    WHAT ? Where'd a notion like that come from..?? LMAO

    - the place *I* was returning from that day was a
    ROTFL.. may have not noticed, but the U.S. has a few Indian Reservations ..
    Not exactly a phenomenon that is peculiar to Canad..
    Some of the areas where my son and I ride, would be very hazardous to your
    health if you ran over one of the local pedestrians.. I agree.. The mounties
    wouldn't have found enough of you or the bike to worry about, when they got
    Whups.. You've not been the suject of either of us, until you jumped into
    this flame war contrived by your cross posting friends.. Actually .. your
    "reputation" wasn't an issue, until you came in swinging..

    you might even learn some
    Now, that is something I will not take issue with.. The rest of it is just
    more showboating by a wannabe bully.. You might want to consider "learning"
    something.. IMO..
    Here we go again..

    There are
    I don't believe Canada has a law that declares open season on pedestrians,
    regardless of their race or "treaty status" social conditions..

    - in light of your questioning
    You fail to remember what all of us "learned" a long time ago..While riding
    a motorcycle ANYWHERE.. shit happens.. Better have the reactions to deal
    with it.. You froze and did not react..
    And now.. back to the traditional programing and the subject of a Biker
    hitting a 300 pound woman, knocking her 70 feet or so, while he was
    showboating ..
    Bill Walker, Jan 17, 2005
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  3. Road Glidin' Don

    Brian Walker Guest

    The more that comes out in this, the worse it looks on your part. You were
    afraid to stop and you chose to hit the woman instead of stopping. You
    didn't say anything about "native" or "indian" or whatever you folks call
    them up there....until now. The way you make it appear, you hit the woman
    because you assumed she was drunk based on her race and where you were at.
    It doesn't look too good on your part.

    Besides, I was wondering what term you'd use next to try and win support.
    "Belligerent". That's a term I didn't expect you to use. Had someone hit you
    with a Road Glide knocking you 70 yards...wouldn't you be?

    With the attitudes you're displaying on this, I can believe many of you
    Canucks up there hit suicidal pedestrians....of "native" descent of course.
    I'd have to ask what the ratio of suicides with vehicles (ie, having some
    dumbass slam into you while you're walking across the road) there are among
    "native" people and the dumbass Canucks of the society up there.

    I seem to recall not too long ago a couple rednecks down here claimed a
    black man was trying to commit suicide....that was in Jasper, Texas. Yup,
    the black man just wrapped a chain around himself and threw it at the hitch
    of a truck as it sped by him.

    And you're trying to make Bill Walker out to be a "racist"? HELLO! Bill
    Walker isn't hitting pedestrians because of their race or where they live!

    All this time, Michael Moore was playing you dumbshits up to be not afraid
    and not even locking your doors. And here we have a 6'3" 215lbs strappin'
    Canuck who brags about carrying a .44 Magnum and having a chest full of
    medals who's too afraid to stop and tell a woman to get her fat ass out of
    the middle of the road....
    Brian Walker, Jan 17, 2005
  4. Not really, Brian. I can't help it if you and your father are unable
    to follow a line of reasoning that requires a bit of discernment, but
    here's a little help for you guys anyway (since I'm a nice guy and
    show kindness towards dumb animals ;)

    There are 2 (count them: "2") separate matters under consideration
    here - which you (as usual) are showing yourself unable to distinguish

    First, there is the accusation that I should have stopped to help a
    woman in distress (this was earlier one of Moto's favorite lines of
    attack as well, so you're in very good company on this one). The
    explanation of context that I just gave in the previous post addresses
    that spurious complaint. And only that one.

    (and, btw, as facts showed, my judgement of what her need really was,
    was proven 100% correct - so that has pretty much defeated that whole
    line of attack now)

    Second, there is the accusation that I should have slowed down
    dramatically or stopped because I should have had good reason to
    believe the woman would decide to (at the very last instant) attempt
    to force me to stop by stepping into the middle of the road and block

    That second part is certainly open to some difference of opinion
    (especially when aided by 20/20 hindsight). But you've already
    partially dismantled your own argument on that by trying to have
    things both ways.

    The reason you have undone yourself on that one is by the incredulity
    you and your father exhibit, when saying it seems so unlikely a
    pedestrian would do such a thing. And, really, that is true. I've
    *never* heard of a person trying to do such a thing in front of a
    motorcycle on the highway (in front of cars and semis, yes, but not

    So, by your own words, you've answered your question already - when
    you and your father wonder why I didn't slow down to a snail's pace
    (or completely stop) when I was approaching a woman standing on the
    side of the highway, signalling she wanted a ride. No one would
    predict that a pedestrian would try to do such a thing as she did.
    And surely not in front of a motorcycle!

    That's partly why I said earlier I have no concern over other riders
    looking at the facts of the situation and coming to their own

    After all, every rider (including you and your equally disingenuous,
    lying father) knows there is a tremendous difference between the
    situation of approaching a deer (or other animal) facing you and
    standing on the side of an open highway (in perfect visibility
    conditions) and the situation of approaching a human being under those
    same conditions who is also fully aware of your approach.

    In the case of an animal, you have good reason to fear that the animal
    might decide to step right into your path at the last instant and
    cause a collision. Because animals don't understand doing so will
    cause them harm, you must take that possiblity into consideration.

    But, for a person, it's a quite a different matter. You would *not*
    reasonably expect them to the same thing because, to do so, they would
    have to be bent on intentionally killing themselves (since they have
    understanding of the consequences). And that's precisely where we
    return to my earlier point (which you implicitly agreed to) again.

    Man, if there's something I might feel a slight tinge of guilt for,
    it's probably from arguing circles around people like you, hampered by
    very limited mental capacities... ;)

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    Bill Walker Guest

    LMAO... Here's where I call bullshit on your showboat ass... I didn't even
    know about the incident.. was nowhere in the area.. didn't see a damned
    thing and never claimed to have first hand knowledge of anything about
    it..Since it was brought to my attention during on of your attacks on my son
    and me, all that you have posted about it on newsgroups and your website, is
    fishy as hell..Calling someone a liar and accusing them of attacking your
    good reputation while you are obviously attacking them is creating even more
    doubt .. with everyone .. Keep at it Showboat.. You are definitely doing it
    to yourself ..

    knows there is a tremendous difference between the
    Bill Walker, Jan 17, 2005
  6. Road Glidin' Don

    Brian Walker Guest

    I didn't say anything about helping a woman in distress....I said you
    should've stopped to tell the fat bitch to get out of the road and go on.
    You were too afraid, by your own admission. You chose instead to maintain
    your speed and hope you could ride through it. Then when she ended up in
    your path, you froze and didn't know what to do....thus hitting her and
    knocking her 70 yards. You then created all this analytical nonsense to make
    it seem like you knew what you were doing. You even said that had you had it
    to do over again, you wouldn't have done any different. You're a coward
    who's more willing to kill someone or yourself and wreck out your bike
    rather than to just stop and tell someone to get out of your way. Period.

    And it's nice to see you've already found that I'm in "good company" on
    this....I guess everyone is a dumb animal to you....especially those native
    indians who are waving at you on the roadways!

    You can't honestly expect all these riders in these two newsgroups to
    believe you're somehow capable of analyzing someone to the point you can
    tell they're drunk, on drugs, belligerent, suicidal and homicidal....with
    you maintaining a speed of greater than 60mph coming up on them. You saw it
    was a native indian woman and considered your got scared and
    you hit her. Then to excuse it, you concocted this ridiculous story. From
    your description of the situation up there and the feelings toward the
    people, I'm sure it wasn't too difficult to find others to be "witnesses" to
    all this....even though I doubt the police and ambulance workers saw any of
    this. That's the way it happened.

    All this time, I just thought you were some simple minded dumb shit who hit
    a woman and gave a wild story about her trying to kill herself. Now after I
    hear this much, I think you're a sorry piece of shit. What have you said to
    make me believe differently?
    Brian Walker, Jan 17, 2005
  7. Hey, I didn't expect that so soon! But thanks for acknowledging what
    you and Brian were actually up to.

    And, sure, I'll freely admit I was simply flaming the ass off you and
    your son. It's known as backing up friends of mine here (who, in my
    judgement, you were disseminating unproven lies and innuendos about).

    Have a nice day, Bill.

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    Bill Walker Guest

    Beautiful day . here in Texas.. Thanks.. Who has lied and about what.. big
    dude ? Reads like you been trying to justify all that fishy story of
    yours.. All that "judgement" of yours is real impressive on usenet .. Damn
    shame you were too busy showboating on that highway to make use of some
    judgement the day you hit that pedestrian... huh.?? Bet you weren't even
    Bill Walker, Jan 17, 2005
  9. Road Glidin' Don

    Brian Walker Guest

    Was there ever any doubt that I was simply making fun of your stupid ass for
    hitting some poor pedestrian native woman and then claiming it was her
    trying to commit suicide?

    All this time, and you're probably the only one who didn't catch on!

    See Dad, I told you this one was stupid! You didn't believe me, but here it
    is! Ole Road Plow (what we affectionately call him) doesn't have good sense.
    Brian Walker, Jan 17, 2005
  10. Heh, heh, heh. That's it. Comfort yourselves. You just got your
    asses handed to ya. After that, further posts on it from me would be
    only be redundant.

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    Yep the little beyotch went crying to daddy...
    Why do you think I don't bother anymore? Too easy to call
    them on their LIES and watch them dance...not much fun
    because they can't dance for shit. I may need some new
    leather soon and you and a few others have done much to tan
    their hides. May have to go down in July, skin me some lying
    pole cats and make set of leathers.

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    Keith Schiffner, Jan 18, 2005
  12. Heh, heh, heh. Nothing finer than the sound of Walkers, left
    sputtering amongst themselves.

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    Bill Walker Guest

    I must have really missed something on my reader... ROTFL... You and your
    wormy friend are high fiving each other and no one besides you, has figured
    out exactly why that is.. Guess it's the cross posting killfile thingy
    again.. I'm sure glad my old smoke belching machine don't have all them
    Bill Walker, Jan 18, 2005
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    HHH Guest

    Good place for it.
    You're mistaken. Write about something that matters.
    You're spewing waaaaay too much Walker spam.


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  15. And the space was free!
    Sure. Maybe, since you're a student of American history, you can
    explain to me how Bill's friends (like Beemer Biker) have figured it
    was actually the Indians who killed each other off - to explain why so
    many of them simply disappeared, once their territories got settled by
    the white man. Sounds rather handy. Is it in your history books?

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    Brian Walker Guest

    Hey, asswipe!

    There's a big difference between American settlers killing the American
    Indian population way back when and some dumbshit in Canada running people
    over because he's too afraid of them based on their color of their skin....
    Brian Walker, Jan 18, 2005
  17. Road Glidin' Don

    Brian Walker Guest

    I'm sure everyone on usenet reading Road Plow's crap is simply shaking their
    heads in disbelief at how stupid a person can be in this day and age.

    And there's Stevie right along side of him, being so stupid he doesn't even
    know what he's agreeing to.

    I almost feel "dirty" exposing Road Plow....I thought people like him were
    either locked safely in Alabama/Mississippi/Louisiana prisons or on the run
    in South Africa someplace.

    I don't know, but wouldn't running over someone deliberately based on their
    race be considered a "hate crime" in this country? I know dumbass Bush said
    "any crime is a hate crime", but let's be serious here...this dipshit has
    done everything including right out admitting to the intention of hitting
    that woman and it all boiled down to the woman's race. And there's dumbass
    Stevie in agreement!
    Brian Walker, Jan 18, 2005
  18. Heh, heh, heh. Sure Bill. The incident occurring one day after
    spending a few days and nights on an Indian reserve and after 29 years
    of marriage to a native woman. Mighty odd for someone fitting the
    description you just gave!

    But then, you're just showing folks there's just no limit to how much
    you'll distort situations to support your agenda, is there?

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  19. <Blink, Blink>

    English quality irony on Tex.Motorcycles? WOW...maybe some
    day they'll run off the riff-raff next.

    Keith Schiffner, Jan 18, 2005
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    Brian Walker Guest

    Nothing distorted to it...just what you said. If it's wrong, then correct

    But don't try this "I have lots of friends who are..." crap! We heard all
    that in the 60s down here.

    It would seem that when you said something, I said the same thing back (even
    in quotations and copied directly) and you began this "you're twisting it
    and don't know what the situation is" shit. The more I learned, the worse it
    Brian Walker, Jan 18, 2005
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