effective opposition

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by wessie, Jun 9, 2011.

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    Hog. Guest

    Do you run any of your vehicles on paraffin?
    Hog., Jun 10, 2011
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    M J Carley Guest

    Of which apparat am I part?
    The Tories of both parties are trying to dismantle the post-1945
    settlement by wrecking the NHS, public education and any sense of
    public services. That is nasty and mean-minded: consider, for example,
    saving 13 million but cutting scheme to give books to young
    children. The way they are doing it is by going all out for what they
    want, and then backing off slightly when they hit resistance.
    M J Carley, Jun 10, 2011
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    Ace Guest

    The pink stuff, you mean?
    Ace, Jun 10, 2011
  4. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, M J Carley
    No. I meant what I typed.

    That's why I typed it.

    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Jun 10, 2011
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    Hog. Guest

    Hog., Jun 10, 2011
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    Hog. Guest

    I expect it's a secret
    OK if you believe that your a raging loon or you have been listening to
    people who may be. Nothing in the Bill under review meets that definition
    and I can assure you the NHS needs *radical* surgery.
    I do think the Education side of things in terms of Grants could be better
    done. It's on the right track but clumsy and badly communicated.
    Parents exist to buy their children what they need. It's all part of the
    Great Mistake to think that the Govmint will/should provide.
    Hog., Jun 10, 2011
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    wessie Guest

    The one that amused me is the moral panic over parenting that is leading to
    the sexualisation of young children, whilst at the same time they are
    cutting back funding for Sure Start, a programme that teaches young parents
    the skills their own parents/education failed to nurture.

    Utter fuckwits. They couldn't join the dots on this Netmums shitting
    caterpillar http://l.nmimg.net/images/dots_one.jpg
    wessie, Jun 10, 2011
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    Hog. Guest

    It isn't the job of a government to educate people to be parents!

    It may be their job to sterilize those who (1) are unfit to breed.

    (1) I may need to sit in judgement
    Hog., Jun 10, 2011
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    wessie Guest

    wessie, Jun 10, 2011
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    Hog. Guest

    That's no way to get my permi^H^H^H^****, too late
    Hog., Jun 10, 2011
  11. That is not the point I am making. The fact we have a coalition is
    pretty much irrelevant - the Tories are in charge and I don't believe
    the Lib Dems have any real influence despite all the "huff and puff"
    from various LD ministers.

    The Lib Dems can go hang themselves - they are a travesty and I will
    never believe a word Nick Clegg says.

    The Tories are just beyond belief in their incompetence - "no top down
    reorganisations of the NHS" said Mr Cameron as a commitment during the
    election. Now we have loony Lansley trying to inflict his own
    obsessive vision which no one with a grain of medical sense agrees
    with. The Prime Minister lied to the electorate during the campaign -
    for me it does not get more serious than that. I also have no wish to
    see the NHS wrecked. It needs to be improved and funded properly.

    The Tories (Caroline Spelman) couldn't work out that threatening to
    sell of forests might be a tad unpopular with their own supporters - U
    turn required.

    Gove has mangled significant elements of his own policies creating all
    sorts of contradictions and U turns along the way.

    The defence cuts have been mishandled and then Cameron decides to take
    us into Libyan airspace just so he can look good beside Stumpy
    Sarkozy. Do we have any sort of exit strategy? Do we have any sort of
    plan as to what happens if Gadaffi goes? Are we repeating Iraq all
    over again? Meanwhile Liam Fox sits grumpily on the sidelines opening
    dissenting from government policy and Hague just looks useless.

    I won't even go into detail about what Osborne is doing to the

    The list of U turns and shoddy stupid decisions is almost endless.
    Even allowing for the fact many of them are new ministers this is just
    crap. The lack of any sort of effective oppostion from Labour to this
    ongoing political disaster is equally bloody appalling too. If
    Milliband can't land a punch on Cameron given all the mistakes and
    errors then he doesn't stand a chance when / if the Tories do manage
    to get their act together.
    Paul Corfield, Jun 10, 2011
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    Andy B Guest

    I suppose it depends if you voted for them because you preferred the
    original policy.
    Andy B, Jun 10, 2011
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    Andy B Guest

    You might find that a lot of people would question whether someone
    holding your views is a fit person to be a parent.
    Andy B, Jun 10, 2011
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    Salad Dodger Guest

    Whatever he does, it can't be as damaging as that perpetrated by his
    predecessor and his minions.
    Salad Dodger, Jun 10, 2011
  15. Answer me one question - do you believe that the Labour government was
    right to bail out the banks / financial institutions or should they
    have been allowed to fail taking the savings and finances of millions
    of people with them?
    Paul Corfield, Jun 10, 2011
  16. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Andy B
    The day that any government pays any attention at all to what was in
    their manifesto, I'll consider that as an argument.
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Jun 10, 2011
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    des Guest

    des, Jun 10, 2011
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    des Guest

    Why is anyone surprised? The UK has had Tory government since 4 May 1979.
    What exactly did you think was going to change?

    'If law school is so difficult to get through, how come there are so
    many lawyers?'
    (Calvin Trillin (1935 - ))
    des, Jun 10, 2011
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    Stephen Guest

    Go on then, amuse me.

    Let's have some details of 'nasty and mean'
    Stephen, Jun 10, 2011
  20. This is not about your amusement. You won't agree with anything I
    have written below because your contempt for the last government and
    apparent discomfort from having voted for them at one time seems to be
    blinding you to what this lot is doing. That's the vibe I've picked
    from your posts over several months - I may have got it wrong and if I
    have then I'll apologise now. I have been "worried" about your
    apparent change of attitude on a lot of (political) subjects. You seem
    like a changed man.
    Imposing a housing benefit cap that will lead to poorer people having
    to be shipped out of areas where they have lived for many years
    thereby having to uproot themselves and their children. The side
    effect of this in London will be that they will most likely have to
    leave their jobs because travel from outside of London will be too
    expensive. Please tell me how that policy - other than further
    subjugating the poor - leads to any sort of beneficial outcome for
    businesses, councils, the individuals involved and the education of
    their children. It is bloody crass because the most likely result is
    that the poor sods forced to move will end up claiming more benefit.

    Forcing councils to cut expenditure to such an extent that they are
    forced to axe sensible initiatives to keep children occupied after
    school if both parents are working and cannot afford childminders. How
    does this help to keep parents working and making a valuable
    contribution to society?

    Imposing huge cuts on voluntary organisations and charities who
    provide specifiic support services to the most vulnerable in society.
    Isn't the essence of Cameron's much vaunted "big society"?
    Unfortunately you do need to spend some money to oil the wheels.
    What's the phrase? Oh yes - "no such thing as a free lunch".

    Axing school crossing wardens thereby endangering children for no good
    reason with the most likely result that yet more children will get
    driven to school by their parents thus making them even less capable
    of coping with walking anywhere.

    Education cuts will stop things like reading clubs and yet all week
    the Evening Standard has been ranting about the shocking level of
    illiteracy in London. Tonight I have the gruesome experience of being
    faced with a photo & article of Michael Gove - mastermind of the cuts
    - saying how much he agrees with the Standard's campaign. God almighty
    how hypocritical can the man get?

    And as for Eric Pickles and his contemptuous attitude to local
    democracy and local services where does one begin?

    This government simply does not care. Unless we are millionnaires we
    are all to be put in our place and made to suffer and have the fabric
    of our society ripped apart because of some wretched right wing
    ideological experiment. Blair and Brown might well have made a mess
    of some things but they were not trying to do what this lot are.
    Paul Corfield, Jun 10, 2011
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