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Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by wessie, Jun 9, 2011.

  1. wessie

    wessie Guest

    Well, I'm sure there will be a need for a few more quangos. I expect
    they'll be setting one up to keep an eye on you lot, just to make sure all
    of those x9k are spent properly of course. Then there will be the new
    offices to open up in the new Labour marginals created by the boundary
    wessie, Jun 11, 2011
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    Andy B Guest

    We're having to start people with no engineering background for the
    power station outages this year because of a shortage of people with the
    required skillset. No work? I'd say that it's more a case of not enough
    people capable of doing it.

    Btw, they're so keen to work that we have to pay their fuel costs and
    travel time or they're not interested.
    Andy B, Jun 11, 2011
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  3. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Andy B
    We have offered a telesales job to two people who haven't shown up on
    day one. One guy started, stayed two days and never came back.

    Obviously, there is work out there.
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Jun 11, 2011
  4. So what's the average?
    The Older Gentleman, Jun 11, 2011
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    wessie Guest

    (The Older Gentleman) wrote in
    I'd look it up but the link is dead "We are sorry that the Research and
    statistics part of the DWP website is not available at present."

    <googles> someone has archived it at

    2.9 million before housing costs and 4.0 million after housing costs so
    the latter gives you the 25% figure and the former explains the difference
    between Save the Children and Action for Children.

    and the full doccument is here
    wessie, Jun 11, 2011
  6. 12 million!! That is an unsustainable figure, we should start culling
    them now before they totally destroy the whole ecosystem.

    and we have a place to start.
    steve auvache, Jun 11, 2011
  7. Considering this seems to be exactly what they are doing I fail to see
    where any argument that they are even the slightest bit fettered could be
    thought of as anything but utter fucking bollox.
    steve auvache, Jun 11, 2011
  8. I find myself in something of a dilemma over this one. While on the one
    hand I agree with much of what he said I would rather would be happier if
    he had been wearing civvies rather than his regulation business frock when
    he said it.

    On the whole I come down firmly in the camp that thinks he should **** off
    and die and keep his opinions firmly in the pulpit and that the fucking
    media should do the rest of us a favour and fail completely to report them
    but this does add a problem in that the voice most widely reported
    recently who holds views like his is his and if the fucking media had
    indeed done us all a favour then whose voice would we hear speaking for
    the poor people?

    steve auvache, Jun 11, 2011
  9. So either figure is valid.

    Just nice to know.
    The Older Gentleman, Jun 11, 2011
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    ginge Guest

    No, we need more if they're ever going to pay my pension.

    ginge, Jun 11, 2011
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    Stephen Guest

    And the easier the state makes it for people to survive without effort
    the more that will take the easy option.
    I'm several hundred pounds a month worse off since April. This is
    money that is supporting my Children through university so it's not
    *just* myself. These are children that I've chosen to educate at my
    expense so I'd say that is pretty unselfish.
    Fine, I'd rather pay tax for Children to be taught how to behave than
    to watch parents surviving well enough on the back of someone else's

    I don't. My job was moved so now I work (mostly) in Dusseldorf and

    The commute to London is at my expense as are any nights I stay in

    What point are you trying to make here? There are jobs available,
    when I wanted one (in 84 when IIRC there was still significant
    unemployment) I went around to businesses that interested me (on
    crutches) offering to work for no more than unemployment benefit plus
    my bus fare. I spent a year commuting a 20 mile journey (which took
    close to an hour) on this deal to gain some work experience.

    What a glib answer.
    Stephen, Jun 11, 2011
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    Stephen Guest

    Or that people want them.
    Stephen, Jun 11, 2011
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    Stephen Guest

    Or it's too fucking easy *not* to work.
    Stephen, Jun 11, 2011
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    Stephen Guest

    So the short answer is "I don't know but someone's said 4 million and
    I'm happy to accept that figure"
    Stephen, Jun 11, 2011
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    wessie Guest

    now who's giving the glib answer?
    wessie, Jun 11, 2011
  16. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Stephen
    When I consider the family who live in a privately-owned house next door
    to mine, four adults, only one working (in a McJob), who manage to run
    three cars between them (one on an '09 plate) and who boast of getting a
    grant to replace their windows, I find myself unable to disagree with

    I also wonder where I'm going wrong.
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Jun 11, 2011
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    Simian Guest

    Pip wrote:

    Inflation adjusted manufacturing output in the UK since 1948.


    There's a similar graph for agriculture, if you're interested, which
    accounts for less than a single digit percentage of GDP these days,

    Obviously, compared to Germany, with 'industry' making up 30% of it's
    GDP, our 20% is fairly small, but it's roughly equal to that of most of
    the rest of Europe.

    Iceland's main problem is it's balance of trade with the rest of the
    world. Luckily, this is usually self righting before you resort to
    subsistence farming.
    Simian, Jun 12, 2011
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    Simian Guest


    Have you tried dishonesty coupled with a lack of respect for the
    property of others?

    Simian, Jun 12, 2011
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    ginge Guest

    That's exactly the point. Mostly people with more money will have it
    tied up in shares and other investments, or spread around a bit, so
    50k is fine for all but a small few.
    Currently 85K, having been raised at least twice.. It was 50K in
    2010, 35k in 2007, something less before that...
    ginge, Jun 12, 2011
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    Stephen Guest

    Me clearly.

    But just look at what you've posted when asked what the definition of
    child poverty was; links to several large (and in some cases
    questionable documents) when a simple "yes" would have done to my
    earlier question- when pushed you later gave this simple (and easily
    understood) measure as one of the indicators- the one returning the
    higher number.

    The document with the 31 factors, let's look at a few of those:
    - Number of fillings in under 5s (I paraphrase)
    - Childhood obesity
    - Pedestrian injuries (scored twice! once for reported, once for
    attending hospital)
    - Children killed or seriously injured
    - Child trust funds

    These are really indicators of poverty?

    And more importantly what a waste of fucking money writing that
    document. Someone's been paid money from the public purse to try to
    prove some spurious political point. Clearly the money that is going
    into 'care' is being utterly wasted on this kind of tosh.
    Stephen, Jun 12, 2011
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