Electronic tagging for bikes moves that one step closer

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Work in progress, Jun 2, 2007.

  1. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6707367.stm

    Scroll down a bit and you reach

    "The DVLA is considering forcing all the UK's 1.3 million motorcycles
    to be fitted with plates featuring electronic tags, which are
    currently being trialled."

    I've never responded well to force, (quiet in the cheap seats) they
    will receive a considered FRO.
    Work in progress, Jun 2, 2007
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    Hog Guest

    a) get rid of speed cameras
    b) we all move to the IOM

    Do they really think it a more complex number plate will not be cloned
    in exactly the same way?

    Anyway I think it's a planted story and part of a much more sinister
    scheme associated with the ANPR tracking of all vehicle journeys.
    Hog, Jun 2, 2007
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    Dan L Guest


    <devils advocate mode>

    Why would it be *such* a bad thing

    Dan L

    1996 Kawasaki ZR1100 Zephyr

    BOTAFOT #140 (KotL 2005/6/7)
    BOMB#18 (slow)
    Dan L, Jun 2, 2007
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    Pip Luscher Guest

    And/or number plate theft would increase.
    Pip Luscher, Jun 2, 2007
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    Muck Guest

    Victim Tony Bullock thinks that chips in plates will cure car / bike
    cloneing, so it _must_ be true. Tony Bollocks more like. For every
    system that comes out, there will be a work around. I bet all it'll take
    is a some kid with a cameraphone and £10 worth of electronics up his
    sleeve to crack it.
    Muck, Jun 2, 2007
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    Frotfrott' Guest

    Because with this they're just greasing you up for the next step. The
    embarked GPS speed tracking device... Enjo-oy. ;-)

    Frotfrott', Jun 2, 2007
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    Hog Guest

    It will help to track your every movement and any infringement of speed
    limits at any time.
    It might enable road charging.
    I could go on but I won't.
    Hog, Jun 2, 2007
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    Steve Parry Guest

    What's to stop some scrote just nicking the electronic plate/, or have I
    missed something?

    Plus, given chip n pin cards have already been cracked I fail to see how a
    chipped plate is seen as more secure.

    Surely, the easy solution is to find a physical lock for the existing place
    or similar?
    Steve Parry, Jun 2, 2007
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    Dan L Guest

    Ahh, 'tis early.

    Good points, well made.


    Dan L

    1996 Kawasaki ZR1100 Zephyr

    BOTAFOT #140 (KotL 2005/6/7)
    BOMB#18 (slow)
    Dan L, Jun 2, 2007
  10. How does one go about getting a French plate ?
    John Anderton, Jun 2, 2007
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    deadmail Guest

    Go to France and steal one.

    Only works if you've got good enough French though if you get stopped.
    I'd suggest that a German plate might be better; the chances of the
    police speaking German are likely to be lower than French I'd imagine.
    deadmail, Jun 2, 2007
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    Timo Geusch Guest

    No you haven't. My guess is that they'll just be even more insistent
    that it was *you* because "computer says so" and we all know that the
    these things are infallible.
    It's worse - unless they changed plans these plates have an embedded
    RFID chip which (a) is a lot easier to crack/clone compared to a chip &
    pin card and (b) can be read at a distance with the right equipment.

    They're also said to be not microwave-proof.
    The bit that really gets me is that they've made the problem with
    numberplate theft worse in the first place with all the
    surveillance/charging technology and are now trying to combat it with
    even more surveillance technology which is clearly for our own best,

    WTF they don't change to a system like they have in other countries
    where you have to physically go to a VRO with your paperwork and get the
    plate stamped/stickered to 'validate' it is beyond me.
    Timo Geusch, Jun 2, 2007
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    Doki Guest

    The most stupid thing is that it's easier for me to get "illegal" plates
    from NI than it is for me to go to the local motor factors and buy one. The
    only people who are struggling to get plates because of the new legislation
    is the normal law abiding bod who has to take a load of paperwork down the
    motor factors. The people who need fake plates either get them from NI or
    know a bloke with a machine that's not registered.
    Because that would be too fucking simple. Same thing with the NHS - lots of
    jumping up and down because our system won't work. Lots of ideas about how
    to alter it, and no agreement. Despite the fact that on the other side of
    the chanell lots of people have decent healthcare and the poor aren't dying
    in the streets yank style...
    Doki, Jun 2, 2007
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    Dr Zoidberg Guest

    I'm not sure why bikes are being singled out here.
    Surely the far greater problem is cloned cars avoiding fines by automated
    systems , and having dodgy plates on is of no use if you are stopped by
    trafpol as a few basic checks will show something is wrong. Oh , wait ,
    there are no trafpol left.....

    "I laugh in the face of danger. Then I hide until it goes away"

    www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk
    Dr Zoidberg, Jun 2, 2007
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    Timo Geusch Guest


    Where do you think I'm getting my replacement plates from?
    Indeed, but it shows that they are "doing something", even if it's
    decidedly daft.

    Like a mate of mine used to say, just because you're running around like
    a headless chicken doesn't mean you don't need mouthwash.
    It's not only the other side of the channel. Ann just moved to another
    state in the US and had to re-register her car there. They checked that
    her car wasn't nicked, then assigned her a plate (well, she's got a
    vanity plate...) which some poor chump in a prison will make for her
    eventually. From that point on it's all online interaction again.
    Timo Geusch, Jun 2, 2007
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    Timo Geusch Guest

    Because we're an evil, law-breaking minority that has no place in a
    safer and cleaner Britain.
    Timo Geusch, Jun 2, 2007
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    Eiron Guest

    Eiron, Jun 2, 2007
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    Muck Guest

    If said scrote nicks your car / bikes ID just by walking by it, it won't
    be reported until something strange happens. Just nicking a plate is
    obvious. We'll be back to the old days of said scrote jotting down your
    plate and making one up. Because they'll be able to program a blank RFID
    chip with your code that they got just by walking by your car... or
    Muck, Jun 2, 2007
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    Timo Geusch Guest

    Ah, but that's never going to happen because they'll make reading an
    RFID numberplate a criminal offense...
    Timo Geusch, Jun 2, 2007
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    deadmail Guest

    On the whole I'm sure bike riders are more law-breaking than car
    deadmail, Jun 2, 2007
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