Energy rationing.

So only those who could hear him were affected?

"Hah! I only heard that from a friend in court so it doesn't affect
me, forsooth! Hey! Why's that headless corpse wearing my tights and
baggy trousers, and why's the world tumbling over and over..."

 

Who would that be then, apart from you that is?

 

What do you consider a "Real" effect. There has already been an increase in
global temperatures unseen in such a short time (Source Arctic Ice core
samples). Also Siberia is melting for the first time in human history...

Care to reconsider you completely pointless argument Steve?

 

You should spend 10 minutes chatting to my mate who used to work at a
nuclear plant and you'd change your opinion on that last statement.

 

Please tell me you're joking... How naive can one person actually be???

 

That is pretty obvious.

You don't have children do you?

 

True, and it doesn't do many miles does it.

 

I've yet to see a decent alternative to it.

Fossil fuels we are told are bad.
Nuclear fuels are bad.

What do we use to generate power?

Wind? Waves?

Neither of the above can produce anywhere near the volumes needed - even
to get a fraction of what we need we'd obliterate just about every
National Park / Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty with wind farms.

 

How do we know that wouldn't have happened without burning fossil fuels?
- the point is we don't have any measure of what is 'natural' and what
is effected by our actions.

 

muck@_TEETH_rulex.net (Muck) wrote in muck@_TEETH_rulex.net:

"Too cheap to meter"

The air car.
Vapourware. ;-)

 

Yeh, things usually have a habit of working out much slower and mush
more expensive.

 

muck@_TEETH_rulex.net (Muck) wrote in muck@_TEETH_rulex.net:

Longstroker. One supervolcano explosion per aeon.

 

That's earths backfire on the over run.

 

(SteveH) wrote in message

Do you have any ideas of the amount of power that can be generated from
wind or wave farms? I don't but also don't think I'm in a position to
say what would be needed.

 

I looked into it due to some proposals for wind farms around here, can't
remember the figures now, but it was something like 2000 wind turbines
to replace one average gas/coal fired power stations.

A quick google gets the figure of 1 turbine for every 560 homes. That's
not even enough for the new housing development being built up the road
from us.

 

Well, if it has never happened before then we are "guessing" that it
wouldn't have happened. You can always put CO2 into a tank and fire UV at it
and see what effect doubling the CO2 content has... but I am guessing that
scientists have done experiments like that.

 

The point is that CO2 emissions from our actions in burning fossil fuels
is negligible compared to natural emissions. Therefore, why is it such a
big issue?

 

SteveH wrote

Muddled thinking. What is your point?

<multimaps for home postcode>
<does a quick count of the tiny square blocks and an estimate>

**** me, is that all it takes?

So, that is one turbine on the hill and half of where I live is served
and we have plenty of hill locally, even by Essex standards.

Hey, we could export power up the road to the town and if we used the
land so conveniently recently vacated by the pikeys we could feed most
of Northern Basildon.

 

SteveH wrote

It isn't negligible, it is happening within lifetimes.


Yesterday I posted an experience relating to environmentalism from 45
years ago.

From a similar period: it was well known that London was a degree or so
warmer than the surrounding countryside. Now it is two or three degrees
warmer and, in exceptional circumstances 4, and we measure in centigrade
these days.


Work it out for yourself.

 

How many households in the UK? - 25 million? (I could be totally wrong
here, but that's a rough estimate).

So that's 45k turbines needed to provide power just for homes.

Where do you suggest we put 45k turbines?

(Further reading suggests that 560 homes for 1 turbine is the most they
can get - there's some turbines producing less than half of that
depending on location - so we can assume we'd need around 60-70k
turbines just for home requirements)