Energy rationing.

It's up to 5 degrees warmer here than it is up the road in Merthyr -
your point is?

 

SteveH wrote

How about at redundant petrol stations? Or New Clear Power sites, no
**** going to be disturbed there is there?

 

SteveH wrote

That the localised warming of something as vast as London has increased
really rather a lot when you think about it and it is all due to us
making waste heat and not utilising the energy as best we might along
the way and that your assertion, or my assumption that yours is such an
assertion, that mankind is having no effect on her environment is just
so much utter fucking bollox and that your really do need to take notice
sunshine because the writing IS on the wall.

How does it go? "There is none so blind as them won't see."

 

How much of that heat is generated by the population? - ie. body heat,
rather than waste energy.

 

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In your case?

Rather a lot.

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There are what, about 30 million households in the UK? So that's about
53,500 turbines in total. That doesn't sound so many really. Add in a
couple of wave barrage machines and some other water turbines, I'm sure
there's plenty of space for them if we're willing to accept some
compromise.

 

SteveH wrote

You are being silly now and dast becoming not worth the effort.

About the same as the average modern computer monitor I think,

 

If the same amount of money that went into nuclear research went into
wavepower research I'm pretty sure we'd know for sure. Also pretty sure
we wouldn't be worrying too much about wind either.

There's also a whole load that can be done to *reduce* our need for all
this energy as well.

 

That's 53,500 turbines that need the manufacturing etc.

 

emerged from their own little world to say

Unfortunately the NIMBYs have killed the wind turbine thing.

My nephew was installing them all over Wales a while back. Now it's more
difficult to get planning permission.

Last month a company from Deeside, that makes the towers, has decided to
close due to lack of interest.

Perhaps we should follow the Danes. IIRC, every village with a population
over a certain figure must have a wind turbine.

 

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Problem is with wind power is that any more than 10-20% of total supply
is difficult to integrate into the grid, because of the nature of it.
Wind can't be turned on and off, and even though wind tends to be more
available in the winter months, there's the buggeration factor of it not
being available during an intense cold snap, for example.

Wind power works well as a supplemental source, but not something that
can be relied on as a major input. What's needed is a fully integrated
system, where wind/tidal/hamsterwheel power sources are used to either
refill pumped storage schemes or as part of a Continental Supergrid
where the demands and supply could be ironed out.

That's just scratching the surface of it.

 

Bung 'em all up the Highlands. There's **** all there, anyway.

 

That's the other side of the coin. If, ten years ago, the gov't had
insisted that all new homes must have a solar panel purely to preheat
water for the hot tank and that all newbuilds must have the equivalent
of 8" of insulation all round, I reckon we'd be much better off now.

Again, I think the Danes did something like that.

 

<nods>

It was always noticeable coming into London on the bike on a winter day.
You could feel the same effect in Edinburgh as you entered the city.

 

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote

I simply don't understand why they haven't done this as it goes. Or why
building firms haven't been doing it off their own backs.

I appreciate that it would add a few bob to the initial capital costs
and all that sort of shit but Shirley some fucking marketing firm could
have been employed to sell it to us, so why the **** haven't they done
it? It bemuses me.

 

Halla says...

Ah, you're a diesel powered jack-hammer girl then?

 

Better get in quick then

 

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The manufacturing wouldn't be the problem- paying for them might.

However, from memory of a R4 prog the cost of a communal wind generating
plant in Denmark was IRO 150k ao this doesn't seem that expensive,
around 75 million. Small change.

Still I'd guess these would be bigger ones so would cost a little more.
Call it 200 million, still doesn't seem excessive in capital investment.
Naturally there's a lot more to it than that, overheads to run,
maintain, close down costs of existing arrangements etc etc.

Of course, the real thing that kills it is the Nimby factor.