Energy rationing.

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Muck, Sep 10, 2005.

  1. Muck

    'Hog Guest

    Nor is it as complicated as some folk would have you believe. It is
    mired in standing technology investments, patenting/licensing issues
    and (natch) political intransigence.

    'Hog
     
    'Hog, Sep 12, 2005
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    Donald Guest

    Maybe it is Renewable Devices just up the road from me. Someone has just
    given them 9 million pounds to provide 2000 roof mounted turbines.
    http://www.renewabledevices.com/swift/news.htm

    The Scotsman article reckoned it will cost £1500 so I gave them a ring
    and it's currently about the £5K mark, although they hope to bring it
    down to the target price within the year.

    http://business.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=352432003


    Break even point moves from 15 years to 4.5 if my figures are right,
    I've asked them to contact me when the price comes down ;-) .
     
    Donald, Sep 12, 2005
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    tallbloke Guest

    AFAIK the best long term process so far is vitrification, And that doesn't
    work either.
     
    tallbloke, Sep 12, 2005
  4. Muck

    'Hog Guest

    Well in terms of the specifics of waste disposal, solidification and
    wrapping with deep underground disposal. It's not like the deep crust
    isn't already radioactive.

    'Hog
     
    'Hog, Sep 12, 2005
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    tallbloke Guest


    It's not like we can drill down that deep into the crust either. And the
    natural radioactivity isn't of the same order of concentration as man made
    nuclear shit.
     
    tallbloke, Sep 12, 2005
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    marina Guest

    Dunno where I first heard about them, but I saw a picture in a Sunday
    colour supplement a few weeks ago. Total diameter of the blade
    assembly is 2.5 metres - that's all I remember of the details. Sorry,
    you'll have to google it.

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    marina, Sep 12, 2005
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    Zanziba Guest

    Can you imagine the problem after you drill down, weaken the crust, pump
    several thousand tonnes of the nastiest shit that can possibly be imagined
    in and then it becomes a volcanoe and spits it all back out.

    Lets hope the Russians let us drill down there.
     
    Zanziba, Sep 12, 2005
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    platypus Guest

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    Pip Luscher Guest

    Unfortunately, the huge, huge problem with wind farms - I don't know
    much about wave energy - is variation in supply, either too little
    wind or, in case of stormy conditions, too much. I have a vague idea
    that wind power is proportional to the square of the wind speed but
    I'm not sure.

    At present, we don't have a means of storing surplus energy in large
    quantities apart from schemes like Dinorwig. As a result, backup
    generators need to have sufficient capacity to take on the _whole_
    load should there be a nationwide period of low wind, such as a high
    pressure ridge over the Isles. These generators would need to be in a
    constant state of readiness and as such, would almost certainly be
    absorbing at least some energy.

    I do believe in wind power but it can only ever be _part_ of a
    solution unless the oh, so important problem of energy storage is
    sorted.
     
    Pip Luscher, Sep 12, 2005
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    sweller Guest

    On the face of it Dinorwig seems to have solved the surplus energy
    problem by using the reservoir as a battery.

    If wind power rather than off peak electricity drives the pumps to refill
    the reservoir that may go further in providing the answer. My experience
    of Summer in Wales means neither wind or rain is in short supply.
     
    sweller, Sep 12, 2005
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    Pip Luscher Guest

    Also, apparently, they interfere with fishing grounds or something, so
    even offshore they're not wanted. Having said that, the last I heard,
    the Gunfleet Sands farm was going ahead.
    A colleague of mine, a nice and by no means stupid chap, was dead set
    against the Cambridge wind farm. His fears, mainly about the look of
    the things, but also that apparently if you're half a mile or so
    downwind then you *can* get a thudding noise caused (I think) by the
    pressure waves as the blades pass the tower. This apparently can cause
    nasty resonances in chimneys, etc. If this is true then yes, I guess
    that it is a problem than needs to be addressed.

    The last I heard it had been denied permission, one reason I read
    being that "it might distract drivers on the A14 and cause accidents".
    FFS.

    Oh, and apparently it would interfere with Cambridge (Marshalls)
    airport's radar, despite being over 20 km away from the airport and on
    the other side of the city to boot.

    It does seem that the anti's are wheeling out *any* excuse they can
    think of.
     
    Pip Luscher, Sep 12, 2005
  12. Muck

    Pip Luscher Guest

    Of course!

    If we extend the analogy then this explains the tilted axis of
    rotation: the Earth's orbit is slightly elliptical and it has to
    countersteer at perihelion in order to make it round the Sun.

    <sighs and sits back contented with his own brilliance>
     
    Pip Luscher, Sep 12, 2005
  13. Muck

    Pip Luscher Guest

    Yes, but how many reservoirs would we need?
    Heh.
     
    Pip Luscher, Sep 12, 2005
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    raden Guest

    So does Sellafield - There was a study done some years ago about the
    level of radioactivity in seagull guano (I suppose someone enjoys the
    job ... !), and it was seriously high
     
    raden, Sep 12, 2005
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    sweller Guest

    "some"
     
    sweller, Sep 12, 2005
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    Muck Guest

    So, gods own motorcycle is a chain drive one.
     
    Muck, Sep 12, 2005
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    raden Guest

    The general consensus (from what I've read (i.e. NS)) is that isn't
    going to happen, not in the near future anyway

    .... which is a relief
    Well, not that quickly, in several hundred years maybe

    But there's enough to raise the sea level by 70 metres

    which is bad news if you live in Norfolk, or almost anywhere in the
    Pacific
     
    raden, Sep 12, 2005
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    tallbloke Guest

    Pillion passenger's don't get the credit for this manouvre you know.
     
    tallbloke, Sep 12, 2005
  19. That's true of solar electric, but much less so of solar water panels.
    There are plenty of well-made panels still around having served usefully
    for at least 20 years.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Sep 13, 2005
  20. 'Many'.

    Ahem... Cruachan. Predates that Welsh pond by a few years. Frankly, I
    think we should fill every valley in places where few folk go or live.

    For the greater good and all that.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Sep 13, 2005
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