EU paint laws.

Discussion in 'Classic Motorcycles' started by gazzafield, Oct 25, 2006.

  1. gazzafield

    gazzafield Guest

    So what do the new EU paint laws coming in next year mean for all us SOB
    owners. They are banning cellulose paint BTW.
     
    gazzafield, Oct 25, 2006
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  2. You have to spend more money, either getting a paint shop to paint it with
    2-pack or getting the necessary kit to do it yourself.

    I thought there was going to be an exemption for classic cars and the like?
     
    Austin Shackles, Oct 25, 2006
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    gazzafield Guest



    According to Practical Classics there will be but you have to get a licence
    to buy the paint. There is a loophole if you say you are painting a boat or
    a plane they'll sell it?! I'm more wondering about aerosol cans for the
    smaller jobs that need done. Are these going to be available? I've heard a
    rumour that acrylic will still be available in spray cans but nothing
    definite.
     
    gazzafield, Oct 25, 2006
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    Timo Geusch Guest

    Don't do two-pack yourself unless you want to poison yourself. The
    hardener contains isocyanate which shouldn't be sprayed without the
    appropriate gear (and the 2quid mask from B&Q *isn't* the right gear -
    you need a pressure fed full mask) and ideally an appropriate filter
    system unless you want to poison your neighbours as well.

    I'll be trying out water-based paint soon but the main problem with
    that seems to be the laquer...
     
    Timo Geusch, Oct 25, 2006
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    gazzafield Guest



    Yep, well aware that two pack kills you. I've heard wate based paint needs
    a cellulose or two pack lacquer. Very handy.
     
    gazzafield, Oct 25, 2006
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    Rasman99 Guest

    <snip>
    I had a rant on here a while back about Halfrauds Acrylic paint and how an
    unleaded spillage fucked it beyond belief.
    Well......... whether it was my rant with their customer services or timing
    Halfrauds have changed all acrylic can labels to say "not suitable for
    motorcycle petrol tanks without special lacquer"
    I have a can of PR lacquer but not tried it as yet.

    A victory......... fuckin doubt it.

    But 2 pack makes your goolies fall off or worse apparently so......... will
    give PR lacquer a try.
    Will report back if anyone GAF.


    Ras
    --
     
    Rasman99, Oct 26, 2006
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    gazzafield Guest



    What's PR Lacquer? Did you not lacquer it with Halfords own lacquer?
     
    gazzafield, Oct 26, 2006
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    Adrian Guest

    gazzafield (_I.ko) gurgled
    happily, sounding much like they were saying :
    Oh. 2k just doesn't *look* right. The shine's just far too "plasticky"
     
    Adrian, Oct 26, 2006
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    Hog Guest

    so what's going to be the score for using small airbrushes? what kind of
    paint now.
     
    Hog, Oct 26, 2006
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  10. Hmmmm - seems like a lot of people are getting their knickers in a twist.
    I asked my local paint supplier for the facts - it is nowhere near as
    bad as the rumour mongers would have you believe.

    1) 2000, synthetic, and most acrylic paints are not affected.
    2) From 1 Jan 2007 it will be illegal to MANUFACTURE Cellulose in the EEC.
    3) It will also be illegal to manufacture 2 pack basecoats.
    4) All basecoats will be replaced by a water based equivalent.
    5) All top coat laquers will be replaced by a less toxic 2 pack laquer
    with increased solids and low solvent content.

    Until the cutoff date all of the factories are running flat out to build
    up enough stockpiles to last at least another year.

    Note that the existing paints will continue to be manufactured outside
    of the EEC and it will be perfectly legal to import these. Refinishing
    shops and car makers are already using the new paints due to an
    environmental quota system which restricts the amount of thinners that
    they can use. These quotas will be tightened, forcing most refinishing
    shops to use the new products for all except the most specialist jobs.

    The new water based products are not difficult to use, they simply
    require a warm air blower to dry. Suitable cheap blowers (they look like
    a few hairdryers on a stand) are available.
     
    Chris Newport, Oct 26, 2006
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  11. but without the lacquer, not much point, unless the new-fangled 2-pack
    lacquer is suitable for amateur use in non-controlled environments. I'll
    stick with a paintbrush and tractor enamel, 'til some cnut bans that an'
    all.
     
    Austin Shackles, Oct 26, 2006
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  12. The main problem I can see with that is it's shite. Certainly
    water-based household paints are and I don't think the car trade has
    found any different.

    I foresee a rise in SOCs and SOBs with a coating of Dulux.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Oct 26, 2006
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  13. Same here. I've seen some excellent brush jobs. After all, it was done
    that way for years - all it took was skill, time, experience and
    patience. Easy.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Oct 26, 2006
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    Timo Geusch Guest

    Water based...
     
    Timo Geusch, Oct 26, 2006
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    Adrian Guest

    Grimly Curmudgeon () gurgled happily, sounding
    much like they were saying :
    Damn near all new cars have been painted in water-based paints for the last
    few years.
     
    Adrian, Oct 26, 2006
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    Hog Guest

    and judging by Porkers it's shite
     
    Hog, Oct 26, 2006
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    Rasman99 Guest

    Petrol resiistant lacquer NOT normal Halfrauds lacquer , 2 different part
    codes PR has a blue top, normal is a clear top on the can.
    I had a long rant a while back on this

    Ras
     
    Rasman99, Oct 27, 2006
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