my ISP's deal with giganews obviously isn't as good as it was, because I can no longer authenticate over gprs using my adsl username and password ;-) Can anybody recommend a cheap but preferably free way I can access a news swerver from my mobile and palmpilot with a suitable username and password? Hmm,? My email address is valid if you want to keep the great unwashed away from such info... rog at tallbloke dot net