FA: Giali reinforced denim jackets & jeans

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by eBayer, May 2, 2006.

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    eBayer Guest

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  2. Coincidentally, I saw a test report on this type of product recently.
    One popular brand achieved between 1.4 and 2 seconds in the impact
    abrasion test. This is barely adequate for the parts of the body - and
    garment - that rarely touch the road surface in a slide (e.g. the
    inside of the thighs and the front of the abdomen), yet the aramid is
    present in the high risk areas of buttocks, sides of legs and knees!

    Another well-known brand achieved between 3.4 and 5.4 seconds, which is
    good enough for an EN 13595 Level 1 pass where the aramid is present.
    Performance where there is only denim still falls well below the
    standard's requirement, however.

    An experimental product achieved between 10.1 and 10.4 seconds. Good
    enough for the highest, Level 2 performance class of EN 13595 where the
    reinforcement fabric is present.
     
    Paul Varnsverry, May 2, 2006
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    zymurgy Guest

    Hmm, are face-down slides uncommon then ?

    P.
     
    zymurgy, May 2, 2006
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    Eiron Guest

    I once had a face-up slide at The Esses at Mallory.
    When my back started to get warm I turned over and finished face-down.
    Swift of Northampton made some jolly decent suits twenty-odd years ago!
     
    Eiron, May 2, 2006
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  5. The available data suggests they are significantly less common (see
    "Performance of Protective Clothing: Fifth Volume", published by ASTM).
     
    Paul Varnsverry, May 2, 2006
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  6. Aye. Them t'were t'days. There seem to be a few of the original
    products still knocking around amongst ukrm-ers, some of whom have
    sadly discovered that leather shrinks with the passage of time, so they
    can no longer fit into garments which were perfectly sized a few years
    ago. ;-)
     
    Paul Varnsverry, May 2, 2006
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  7. So, if you're going to wear normal jeans, these will give you a 'bit'
    more protection, but any feeling of 'protection' is fairly misguided?
    How does that compare with 'average' leathers? It sounds to me like
    these experimentals would be a good compromise between the ease of jeans
    and the effort of leathers, for those occasional jaunts?

    Any idea if these are likely to be on the market soon?

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    DoetNietComputeren, May 2, 2006
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    Tom Warner Guest

    Oi! It's a medical problem...

    That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

    I had a low speed face down slide Summer before last.

    I slid about 45 feet wearing an Aerostich.

    The 'stich wasn't scuffed or damaged in any way. The only scuffing
    visible was on the back of one of my (leather) gloves.

    All the best,
    Tom
     
    Tom Warner, May 2, 2006
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    zymurgy Guest

    Now you know I won't, but i'll take your word on it ;-)

    I think I rolled the first time, and slid on my back the second (after
    landing on my shoulder)

    Am now dosing up on high strength calcium and always wearing decent
    boots to avoid further unnecessary damage ;-)

    Paul.
     
    zymurgy, May 2, 2006
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    Antonio Guest

    I have, and completely face down facnig forward. Also the only m/c accident
    I have had. Helmet scars and knee of the leather jeans mostly, on the RHS.
    Considering I came right off and over the bike at around 30Mph though,
    clearing the guys boot altogether, not an awful lot of damage at all. I
    think it helped also that I was wearing a pear of FOAD Timerblands, not your
    typical biking boot but did the job.
     
    Antonio, May 2, 2006
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  11. Wearing a layer of denim will increase the time before your own
    epidermis makes contact with the road surface, but not by much.
    "Average" leathers might be expected to record comparable times. The
    better equipment (leather or textile) would be expected to exceed 12
    seconds. Some heavyweight leathers have been known to go past 20
    seconds. In the experimental jeans, the reinforcement fabric would have
    to extend throughout the entirety of the jeans to meet the requirements
    of the standard.
    I really don't know. As I said, the test specimen was "experimental",
    but the manufacturer's plans might be swayed by the outcome. I doubt we
    could expect to see anything before next year, however. Generally, a
    product range is signed off around a year in advance. I know companies
    who had finalised their 2007 ranges in Autumn 2005!
     
    Paul Varnsverry, May 3, 2006
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  12. I suspected my posting would elicit a response from you, Tom. ;-)
     
    Paul Varnsverry, May 3, 2006
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  13. Hmm. Face-down slides are uncommonly common amongst ukrm-ers...
     
    Paul Varnsverry, May 3, 2006
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    gomez Guest

    We like to protect our arses.
     
    gomez, May 3, 2006
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  15. I'm guessing fractions.
    So, if they were to make it to the shelves, they would be worth looking
    at for casual situations. Price tag depending of course.

    I guess it depends on the cost/margin really, and of course how much
    damage it might do to their leathers/textiles business, if they cover
    that market. That said, if I could make them at a price/margin that
    encouraged sale, I'd love to clear up the market (at least initially)
    by having a product that trounced the competitors so heavily - with a
    standard to back it up.

    I've considered the likes of Draggin and Giali before, and frankly,
    didn't think they were worth the expense compared to the very minimal
    added protection over normal jeans. The type of figures above for
    "experimental" however, would make me consider further

    Thanks for the info/update
     
    DoetNietComputeren, May 3, 2006
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    MattG Guest

    You've not met many of us then? Faces are fairly expendable for quite a
    few.
     
    MattG, May 3, 2006
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    platypus Guest

    Thinking back, I generally land on one side or other, possibly with a bit of
    rag-dolling thrown in. I landed on my chin once, but that was long ago and
    in another country. Also, platy's law of waking up in the gutter states
    that face down is drunk, face up is fell off.

    Giali's UK premises are just down the road from me - "Radiant House" was
    formerly the shop of IIRC Radiant Domestic Appliances...
     
    platypus, May 4, 2006
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    Krusty Guest

    I wouldn't *dare* to contest anything you post on this subject,
    especially as I know nothing about it. But I do wonder how relevant the
    impact abrasion figures are for *road* riding.

    Surely in most road crashes you either hit another vehicle & stop very
    quickly, or get deflected off into something else that stops you very
    quickly, or drop it going round a bend & slide off into a
    hedge/wall/tree/verge. The number of road crashes where you'd slide on
    tarmac for more than 2 seconds seems like it'd be very, very small to
    me.

    I've had 5 crashes on the road; 2 SMIDSYs with cars, 1 SMIDSY with a
    flock of sheep, 1 bend covered with black ice & 1 roundabout covered
    with diesel. I'm fairly sure I didn't slide along the road for more
    than a second in any of them.

    Having said that, I would've had a lengthy slide up the M25[1]
    yesterday if I'd hit the pile of breeze blocks sat in the road, so
    there's always an exception!

    [1] Filtering's a tad nerve-wracking when the traffic's been stationary
    so long that most people have opened their doors, or are standing
    around next to their cars yacking.

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    Krusty, May 4, 2006
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  19. Hmm. I don't recall how long my knee was in contact with the tarmac for
    my first bike lob - but I still bear the gravel rash today.

    I had one accident on the M5/6 slip road where I got nudged off. I
    rolled and rolled for what seemed an eternity, but was in leathers and
    didn't have a scuff. Just a sprained ankle.

    IIRC, Paul will confirm, but denim will last less than a second.
    fucking truckers.
     
    DoetNietComputeren, May 4, 2006
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    gomez Guest

    I admit to being lucky but on all three major offs I have slid rather
    than collided. Once was on farm track mud and grass verge so not a good
    test but onceon tarmac in Wolf leathers and once in HG cordura. Both
    did their job.
     
    gomez, May 4, 2006
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