Faaaark!

If we can't have hanging or beheading could we please bring the stocks
back.

I would have loved an E Type..........................

 

The Older Gentleman said...

A lad stole an X7 I owned back in 1990. I didn't like the bike, in fact
I hated it, but I broke the thief's hands with a hammer anyway. He never
stole from me or my mates again, and went to live with his dad in US cos
he was scared stiff someone would do the same again to him.

 

especially for people with the surname Champion? ;-)

Let's take a vote!

 

I would think it was more of the:

"Look at all these expensive motors!"
"Lets teach the rich bastard who owns them a lesson!"
"We'll show him!"

There is very little in the long term you can do for their attitude.[1]
It's been taught to them by their parents and the sub set of society
that this degenerate group live in. Amongst them there would have been
leaders and followers each trying to prove who was the 'hardest'.

'Ildeton Motor Project' in SE London was one of the more successful but
is it fair to the lad who keeps his nose clean, that the arsehole gets
the treats and the breaks to 'readjust' his out look on life? Almost
like being rewarded for what he's done.

 

Mick Whittingham said...

If you ever feel the need to own one, don't buy a Series 3 V12, in fact,
don't buy one that was made after 1967. That's the year BMC took over at
Browns Lane and the quality suffered after that. It wasn't down to the
workforce, it was down to using inferior materials as implemented by the
BMC beancounters.

Buy a Series 1 4.2 from 1964-66 in either FHC or Roadster form, they are
the sweetest of all the E-Types and very comfy to drive. 1961-64 3.8s
have shitty bucket seats and the attrocious, antiquated Moss gearbox.
3.8s are ok, but the Series 1 4.2 is much more refined but keeps the
same body styling. 1966/67 saw the introduction of the unofficial Series
1 1/2, which was a mish-mash of Series 1 and Series 2 parts and styling,
because Jaguar were trying to get rid of as much production stock as
possible to save costs. They're horrible and in E-Type terms pretty
worthless. Soon after that came the Series 2, which was a horribly
facelifted model with all manner of USA friendly body-styling. Ugly is
the word that comes to mind, they don't look anywhere near as pure as
the earlier ones.

 

If it was my collection I would be in agreement.

But on the matter of the African safari. I know of the people who
arranged that for some small scrote. The scrote was uncontrollable and
when ever he was taken anywhere away from his environment to try and
sort him out he would look upon it as fresh pastures to burglarise. So
they took him to Africa in the middle of nowhere with his 'controller'.
Scrote was 100 miles from anything else with no water between. He either
did as he was told or left to his own devises ie., die of thirst/starve.
He tried on the 'you can't let me die' bit but it didn't work. The
'controller' in question would have let him die.

He actually reformed for about a year when he got back.

 

Yes, you were - up to a point. You've however then made some
assumptions and inserted your own tangent below.

Logically it has huge flaws - proof being the biggest one. I don't
disagree.

Poor execution[1] does not however make me change my mind that, as a
principle, it is something I think has a value.

[1] pardon the pun.

 

And that makes it okay?

That's what it _seems_ you seem to be saying.

"They're kids - let them do WTF they like, no matter who or what it
effects".

For someone who advocates fairness, this seems an odd stance.

 

That's changed?

 

I don't for one moment think that's what Champ is saying. He is correct
though.

 

I think that sounds a bit heavy handed, but I aint gonna argue with that
response - you do whatever you are motivated to do, don't you - and live
with the consequences? Thats your right. Aint got **** all to do with anyone
else on here really, its down to what you were thinking at the time.
What they might say in consequence might alter how people think about such
events in the future, granted.

Anyway, If we are in such a democracy that is possible for lowlife to
express themselves in this way, I'd think it only fair for someone to at
least be vocal about what they would like to do to the offenders, whether it
just be paying lipservice to what they would LIKE to do to them, or not.

I've been in the same position (almost) several years ago my only bike
incident but nearly my last, I had a dickwad knock me off my bike, who was a
young drunk (but not underage - he was insured - over 18) and also a "hit
and run" in that he evaded (or should I say was "lost" - was allowed to slip
away on the scene) by police.

He managed to evade capture but not before he made several failed attempts
to move the bike to a place in the road that would incriminate me, balls up
by police who when they eventually turned up failed to apprehend him or
bring him to justice, but I don't feel bad about the Police specifically as
a result - we all make mistakes especially when its late, and events happen
fast. Its a joke really, that in the circumstance, they breathalised me.

I have to say, I DID almost come to a point of hunting the guy down as I
wanted to really hurt him bad but I began to see sense that his pathetic
life was unlikely to cross with mine and I would only drag my life down to
the sad state of his.

However several years later his insurance (NU) did eventually cough up, thus
proving his incriminating really. I think he was in the paper for drink
driving a later point.

If our paths did cross again in such a bad way again though, I think there
would be hell to pay.
He'd have to be very fucking suicidal to drive into me again.
And that was ONLY on a CB400V - god knows how I'd feel on a bike I
cherished - though I did like the bike at the time.

What really is amazing is people get away with things like this - even
deaths involved, and they go back and have another go don't they ??
I think in some respects they pretty much deserve what they get when they
are this reckless.

I guess there is a measure of "risk" of injury or loss of life aspect to the
issue - as stated they "only" destroyed someones lifes work. But if that
gamble results in a serious repurcussion to themselves - I'd say that was a
chain of events that was brought on by themselves. I am not saying its right
or wrong, but fucking with peoples lives in such a disrespectful way, is
only going to lead to very bad results.

 

I can't accept that severe punishments have no deterrance value? that
seems counter intuitive.
In terms of support, there is a higher level of voter support for CP
than most other things.
The change of attitudes in the USA are about how and whom, over three
quarters still support the principal.

I completely accept that CP should not be practiced within a badly
flawed judicial and trial system.

 

Perhaps it is that the media is more pervasive and a greater part of our
lives. I doubt that scrotes have got worse or much more numerous.

 

That's true, but the stuff teenagers did then seems a lot less downright
nasty than the stuff one hears about these days.

Or is it just nostalgia getting the better of me?

--
Dan L (Oldbloke)

My bike 1996 Kawasaki ZR1100 Zephyr
Space in shed where NSR125 used to be
Spare Bike 1990 Suzuki TS50X (Patio Ornament)
BOTAFOT #140 (KotL 2005/6), X-FOT#000, DIAABTCOD #26, BOMB#18 (slow), OMF#11

 

Perhaps that's because you live in a McCarthy & Stone development with
a night nurse/janitor at the front door.

 

And this is different from a ukrm meet how?

 

Not in that statement no - but it's part of the "they're just like us
as kids" bit.

Okay, looking back Champ didn't say that - Ace did.

 

The Older Gentleman scribbled on the back of a napkin:

Less alcohol.

 

I'm not too sure about that.

News and information is available and distributed a lot faster and
more freely now so you probably see and hear much more about what is
going on than you ever used to.

Town centres are a lot safer than they were a few years back because
most now have cctv and most pubs have doormen to stamp out trouble
almost as fast as it starts.

Stabbings at taxi ranks are now a rarity worthy of a mention in the
local rag whereas when I was a teenager they were just something that
happened on most Friday or Saturday nights.

I don't give a **** about someones car collection getting battered,
I'm much more concerned about when the troops are coming home from
Iraq and Afghanistan or when the Moto GP season starts.

You might be.

 

Why?