FFS...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/article4909662.ece

Discuss...

And yes, I know SPECS doesn't really work with bikes, but RFID would appear
to be on the cards for those.

 

any scheme like this has to be designed as an 80/20 solution. trying to
make it work with bikes, who all fall into the 20, is just not worthwhile.

rfid? as in, you have to have a radio transmitter on your bike to be
detectable? well, i can't see how you're going to make that work. even if
you make checking for its presence part of the mot, people would just put
it on for the mot and take it off again immediately afterwards. ultimately,
if you make the number plate recognition good enough then there will be a
strong incentive to just take your number plate off - the chance that you'll
be spotted by a real live copper is diminishingly small especially as they
spend all the money that could be going on copper wages on automated
systems.

trying to stop bikers speeding is like trying to stop mice eating cheese -
you probably have to destroy them to do it. however, bikers don't pose a
huge risk to the safety of others, only themselves (and they're generally
aware of those risks), so any "solution" would be largely unnecessary.

 

No - you can have a passive RFID tag on your bike and it gets queried
by roadside dectectors.

Which has it's own set of problems cheif of which is:

Distinguishing which vehicle has which tag - especially on busy roads.
You *could* embed the detector under each lane of the road but then
you'd miss/misread those people who are crossing between lanes. You
could have a very focussed read field attached to something like a
camera so you get a simultaneous read and picture - but it would be
expensive and fairly error prone.

Add to the fact that tags are not the most robust things in existance
(ones with a big enough antenna for distance reading are sensitive to
voltage spike in nearby power equipment so parking your bike next to a
three-phase cable may well kill the tag - meaning that they can't be
embedded in the fabric of the bike).

In short RFID is by no means the panacea that the gubbermint are
looking for. Any more than biometrics are for catching terrorists.

Unless you are a local politician/policeman looking for popularity.

Phil

 

Hmm, no, as in Oyster cards. The RFIDs are powered by the incoming
radiation, there's no inbuilt power source.

http://www.tutorialsweb.com/rfid/operation-of-rfid-systems.htm

AIUI, they're to be built into number plates (another reason,
besides having a suitable OCR font, why there has been so much beefing
up of the rules on number plates lately.)

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So, would maybe 5 seconds in a microwave kill an rfid tag in a number
plate?

If it did, would they then have to have a law forbidding the
microwaving of number plates and send kitchen police round to check?

 

I suspect so. Even if for the reason that microwaving any electronic
device is a very very bad idea (unless you *want* to kill it..)

Phil.

 

<Waves large magnet about> Reliance on this sort of technology isn't
going to work. Also, I can see the number of reported number plate
thefts and cloned plates going through the roof.

 

I know. "Camera's", peppered all down the comments list.
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Skynet innit?


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Reading the comments it looks like about 90% against.
"Councils are actually not going to like these cameras. Since they are so
good at what they say, the fine income looks like it is going to be WAY too
low for them. "

I was in Taunton last year (someone has to be) and picked up a local rag.
One local council was about 1 million overspent because people were obeying
the parking laws and they hadn't budgeted for civil obedience.

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Looks like they're going to have to find another way of making money
after sending so much of it overseas to be lost.

 

Is the right answer.

I'm a big fan of the average speed cameras (if there must be speed
cameras please let them be average speed ones). Speeds up motorways,
less (but still some) panic braking. Plus because they're forward facing
I've got a free pass.

I don't really drive my car anymore so to be honest I don't give much of
a ****.

 

With what funds?

We're broke for the next few years.

Of course... they could simply add a second camera to catch the rear of
the vehicle as well as the front.

But, still, I reckon bikes are ok for a few years yet.

 

I wonder if the mathematical defence has ever worked.
Divide the stretch of road into several sections then, for each one,
ask if there is any evidence that a speeding offence took place in it.
By the time you have considered the last one, there is no evidence that
speeding took place anywhere.

 

<magistrate's head explodes>

"Case dismissed."
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