Fianance for bikes.

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by òlléy®, May 6, 2008.

  1. òlléy®

    òlléy® Guest

    Ok guys here is one, I own a fairly nice bike already and 2 cars I do not
    really need anymore vehicles, yep I made a error? and visited a Kawasaki
    showroom and feasted my eyes on a brand new ZX10R, after seeing it in the
    flesh I like what I see but I noticed now all bikes in the store have a
    finance tag and for this particular bike it reads 500 cash down and 115 per
    week, I did not get into money talk with salespeople (they were not pushy at
    all and gave me brochures :) I roughly estimated approx 20k for this
    machine?

    3 Questions.

    1. Do all MC shops use the same finance co these days i.e.: GE?
    2. With such seemingly low repayments on 20k, what kinda interest rates do
    the in-house fiancé co's carry today on sickles?
    3. Bank finance is likely better of course however, being safer is it
    really that much better today? and do you have any bargaining power with
    either?

    Sorry if it has been covered before I want to see what peoples opinions are
    on "bike shop finance".

    regards
    olley.
     
    òlléy®, May 6, 2008
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    òlléy® Guest

     
    òlléy®, May 6, 2008
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    Damien Guest

    Don't ever use the bike shop's finance. In fact, if they're half-way
    decent in the first place, they'll probably say the same thing to you
    up-front themselves! Even a cursory glance at rates elsewhere will show
    how much more you'll pay using the bike company finance.

    Get a quote from the bike shop and then go to your own bank/institution
    and ask for a new vehicle loan. They market them as "new car loans", but
    it applies to bikes as well. You should get something in the vicinity of
    9%pa in the current market.

    Compare that to the rates being charged by the bike company finance, and
    you'll see how much more expensive it is. Bike company finance is only
    worth it when they order far too many of a particular model and do a
    supercheap deal (eg. 6% finance) just to clear the excess stock.
     
    Damien, May 6, 2008
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    Nev.. Guest

    1 + 2 ask a motorcycle shop.
    3 probably not. The shop is likely to make more money from the initial
    and trailing commissions of finance that you buy from them. So on the
    actual price of the bike, there might not be very much difference in
    price between paying cash or on finance, but if you buy on finance
    they're possibly likely to do you better deals on parts and accessories
    you buy at the time of purchase.
    Not sure what you mean by "being safer". Aside from the obvious (money)
    you can probably get an unsecured loan from a bank, whereas anything you
    get from a finance company (or other smaller lenders) will almost
    certainly involve the bike being held as security for the loan.

    Nev..
    '07 XB12X
     
    Nev.., May 6, 2008
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    G-S Guest

    Both Yamaha and Honda do these sorts of low rates on run out models at
    end of model year. One of the cheapest ways to buy a bike on finance
    actually.


    G-S
     
    G-S, May 6, 2008
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    Beefhooked Guest


    9% are mortgage rates - personal loan rates would be much more than this.
     
    Beefhooked, May 6, 2008
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    will_s Guest


    finance corporations normally insist but Banks only insist if the loan is a
    secured loan ie the bike

    normally the unsecured loan is a little bit higher
     
    will_s, May 7, 2008
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  8. In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 06 May 2008 21:59:44 GMT
    8.75% on my current bike loan. Yay credit unions! (they liked me so
    much they gave me the secured car loan rate on an unsecured personal
    loan. It pays to be a long term CU customer.)

    Yes, the rates have climbed, now they charge 10.3 on a secured car
    loan.

    Zebee
     
    Zebee Johnstone, May 7, 2008
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    Yeebers Guest

    Lol. My personal loan is at 10.25% ATM. That's not "much more".
     
    Yeebers, May 7, 2008
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    Yeebers Guest

    Also, legally loan / bike insurance can't be a requirement of the loan
    either.
     
    Yeebers, May 7, 2008
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    Damien Guest

    It certainly would be. But it's also the only time that company finance
    is even competitive, let alone a clear winner. You pay a LOT more than
    market averages the rest of the year in most instances.
     
    Damien, May 7, 2008
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    Damien Guest

    I'm not talking about mortgages, and yes, I certainly did mean 9% when I
    said 9%.

    I took out a 'new car loan' only two weeks ago to buy my bike, and got
    8.95% without a mortgage in sight.
     
    Damien, May 7, 2008
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    Damien Guest

    But who's going to be dumb enough to take that risk?

    For a new bike, if you can't afford the insurance then you can't afford
    the bike.
     
    Damien, May 7, 2008
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    Nev.. Guest

    Which law says that? and while you're at it, name one institutional
    lender who will not require you to comprehensively insure a vehicle held
    as security for a loan. Weblinks would be great.

    Nev..
    '07 XB12X
     
    Nev.., May 7, 2008
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    Yeebers Guest

    Erm. I've misphrased that.

    Legally, loan insurance can't be a requirement of taking finance out.
    I see no need for a weblink .. you can type :) May be different in NSW
    to other places too.
     
    Yeebers, May 7, 2008
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    Damien Guest

    They might not be able to require you to take out loan insurance, but
    they can certainly require you to take out comprehensive insurance on
    the vehicle! And quite rightly so.
     
    Damien, May 7, 2008
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    Yeebers Guest

    Yes agreed - I wrote something other than what I meant tho.
     
    Yeebers, May 7, 2008
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  18. An advertisement in today's Australian by the Service One Credit Union
    has fixed rate car loans at 9.5% and Personal Loans at 11.5%. ANZ are
    advertising 12% and 14% for the same things, and so are GE Money (for a
    $15,000 4-year loan). On that basis big finance companies are no more
    expensive (and no cheaper) than big banks.
     
    Andrew McKenna, May 8, 2008
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    Yeebers Guest

    GE are advertising that rate !?

    Check the rate you get on your actual loan. I can categorically tell you
    they will only give loans at those rates to people like Packer who meets
    their "stricter" lending criteria. Mere plebs such as you and I are
    likely to get the 'normal' rate of 20-23%.
     
    Yeebers, May 8, 2008
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    G-S Guest

    I beg to differ... GE Money were cheaper than ANZ/Esanda 4 weeks ago
    (when I was obtaining a loan) although Westpac were slightly cheaper
    than both.

    All 3 were between 12% and 13%


    G-S
     
    G-S, May 8, 2008
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