In a purely hypothetical situation, if one was heading towards a set of traffic lights that are red, and used the left hand filter lane thats reserved to go left on to get passed the stationary traffic, to then, carry on straight ahead as the lights changed as you got there, is that a legal maneuver? Or would it be classed as overtaking on the wrong side? For example, this junction: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=54.165328,-4.483728&spn=0.000757,0.002414&t=k&z=19 I have a feeling that such a thing might be frowned upon. -- Gavin. For the road: GSXR600K1 For the track: <gone> For everything else: Citroën Berlingo MSN: Twitter: http://twitter.com/gavin_wilby
I don't think it would be legal, as you are not complying with road signs & what have you, but I do it every day & won't stop. I doubt you would get pulled for it in reality as you aren't doing any great harm, unless the coppers a **** or you are riding like one. -- Nige, Honda VTR1000 SOLD! BMW K1200S Range Rover Vogue Aprilia RSV Mille
What was being aimed at, was to get to the front of the queue to then to stop at the front of the cars. Then proceed at a leisurely pace as the lights changed. The bike never came to a complete standstill, as the lights changed as soon as the bike got there. Was only doing about 5mph though. -- Gavin. For the road: GSXR600K1 For the track: <gone> For everything else: Citroën Berlingo MSN: Twitter: http://twitter.com/gavin_wilby
Did you get pulled? I do it at a junction like that every morning & as you say, it's to get to the front to **** off sharpish before the car drivers even have time to react. I think i have done it whith a Police car in the queue & didn't get any ahssle. I suppose if i flew up the inside rather than slowly trundled up he might have objected. He would also have a reason to moan if you wheelie off the line. If you ride in a reasonable manner you should be OK. -- Nige, Honda VTR1000 SOLD! BMW K1200S Range Rover Vogue Aprilia RSV Mille
And certainly not approaching a junction. I don't think he meant the 'undertaking' I took it that he was more concernbed about going straight on instead of turning left in the wrong lane etc. -- Nige, Honda VTR1000 SOLD! BMW K1200S Range Rover Vogue Aprilia RSV Mille
Nah, as I said, its a purely hypothetical question. -- Gavin. For the road: GSXR600K1 For the track: <gone> For everything else: Citroën Berlingo MSN: Twitter: http://twitter.com/gavin_wilby
As far as i'm aware u'd get pulled would you undertake on a motorway. Err no. Always been of the mind that filtering as long as you don't go in front of the leading vehicle @ a junction traffic lights etc from the normal overtaking position u'll be ok. Usual with me is if u need to ask u'r probably in the wrong. Best solution is to try & undertake the boys in blue & they'll let u know 1 way or another. MeerKat
Approaching a junction where car are slowing to stop isn't undertaking. -- Nige, Honda VTR1000 SOLD! BMW K1200S Range Rover Vogue Aprilia RSV Mille
I got pulled and warned for this same move, albeit a right turn was involved. Did post here asking the question. I think it will be down to the mood of plod on the day, although it seems they have the law on their side. -- R100RT Aprilia Pegaso 650 IE "The Flying Mythos" Formerly: James Captain, A10, C15, B25, Dnepr M16 solo, R80/7, R100RT (green!) www.davidhowardjeweller.co.uk
"Undertaking" is not illegal, but is potentially hazardous, which is why the Highway Code is agin it. If when overtaking on the left a dangerous situation develops, the fact that you have been "undertaking" would count heavily against you. There is a particular danger in doing something as a daily routine, and then being caught out by the unexpected. If you overtake on the left and exercise a *lot* of caution, then you should be fine with most traffic police, although the occasional inexperienced or over-officious may wish to have a chat.
There is nothing illegal about what you describe, although filtering is always hazardous, and due caution must be observed. Plod may have been incapable of assessing how well you were applying due caution, and an habitual assumer that all bikers have a death wish.
Assuming your knowledge of traffic law and practice is comparable to your ability to express yourself in a usenet post, I'd disregard any opinion you'd care to expound.
>, says... I've always understood the potential for upsetting the janitorial staff to be directly related to the differential in speed between the vehicles: if L2 is doing 50mph and you slide past at 60 - no problem ... if L2 is doing 30, otoh, and you're hitting 70 - then there might be 'issues'.
Depends. Signs on the road surface are advisory AIUI. If the signs are on poles, something else may apply. I'd suggest if you can get away with it then no worries, but expect some annoyance. Look at it another way, if all the lights were red, would you have any issues moving to the top of the LH lane and then tucking in in front of the queue of the straight ahead lane, preparatory to the lights going green? I wouldn't. -- Catman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) 116 Giulietta 3.0l Sprint 1.7 145 2.0 Cloverleaf 156 V6 2.5 S2 Triumph Sprint ST 1050: It's blue, see. www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk
Erm, yes, actually. You seem to have your mobile and computer confused. -- Catman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) 116 Giulietta 3.0l Sprint 1.7 145 2.0 Cloverleaf 156 V6 2.5 S2 Triumph Sprint ST 1050: It's blue, see. www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk
It might be frowned upon by car drivers, but they frown upon most things bike riders do! I do it all the time and have never had any problem, it's just part of making progress really.
If he gets an arsy plod , he/ she might try and pin a due care and attention on him generally though in those situations they just wont want to bother trying to catch something that is faster , more manouvreable
Indeed. It's judgement call, innit. I'd probably not do it if there was plod in the queue.... -- Catman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) 116 Giulietta 3.0l Sprint 1.7 145 2.0 Cloverleaf 156 V6 2.5 S2 Triumph Sprint ST 1050: It's blue, see. www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk
