Flipper-helmets? think again...

I'm thinking SportsIntregral Helmet for a replacement.

 

Happened last Sat, chinbar ripped out of the pivots on impact, buckled the
visor which snapped into small pieces (shear-stress).
Resulting injuries:
Broken nose, cuts around nose, chin, cheeks requiring stitches inside the
mouth as well.
Injuries resulting out of the failed chinbar are further cuts/ damage to
internal tissue of mouth, broken teeth all around the front.

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/glitch1/HJC/

Looks like at least this HJC shouldn't have gotten "the faibled AS sticker"
then.
First time I saw those hinge-mechanisms close up, what a shocker, kids toys
are made better.
Any thoughts I'd ever had in the past regarding buying one of those have
somehow....gone the same way as that helmet.

cheers
pete

 

You're right Zebee. Nothing is tested in that area.

Dubious regardless of what you put on but the chances are higher of
surviving due to construction.

 

my girlfriend has a zeus one for 300 bucks..

I attempted to take the visor off to adjust it so it closes properly, the
visor pins also hold the chin bar on, the visor can not be adjusted and thus
will always have a bit of a leak in it, and i suspect it will snap the chin
bar off fairly easily...

although i found out it makes a stylish open face helmet..

Dam cheepi

Nat
www.mad-biker.com
Behold the 17th wonder of the world that didn't make it
http://members.dodo.net.au/radburn/cattower.jpg

 

In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 21 May 2004 21:15:08 +1000

Got bad news for you...

The ABS standard doesn't test chinpieces at all. Only skull protection.

I don't think any standard, including Snell does.

So don't put on that fullface thinking that the certification means you
are safe....

Zebee

 

Some research has been done on rigid vs flexible face bars covering open
face and full face helmets. Read about it here:

http://www.bikersrights.com/statistics/cooter/cooter.html
http://tinyurl.com/2zms7

For mine, I wont be ditching the full face any time soon regardless.

cam.

 

The first time I came off the Gixxer the chin bar on my old helmet copped a
nice wack when I hit the pedestrian island head first. Had some deep
scratching on the Left Cheek/visor it but it stayed in one piece.
Regardless of them being tested to standards or not, I think the fact that
the full faces are usually constructed in a single shell, or many layers
shell, the load of impact is distributed over a larger area, as opposed to
teh pivots that hold the flip up part.

TB
'03 CBR600F4i
'99 GSXR600
'88 CBR250R

 

Not good to see but injuries compared to wearing Open Face?

Flip style is always a half way house between open face and full face.

Greg

 

Some say that full-face helmets can be even worse in their own way. Can't remember the precise processes
involved, but with a full-face helmet when you have an impact on the chin-piece, it transfers the forces
through to the back of the skull and causes major neck/brain problems, and is thought to be a major factor in
fatal accidents. So a chin-piece that shatters like that may actually be the best sort, in a similar way to
crumple zones in cars, by disipating some of the force of impact by self-destructing like that. It may result
in other injuries (as you described) but could also result in a decreased chance of something more serious. Of
course, this is just a half-baked theory based on half-remembered articles from some bike magazine I can't
remember, but there might still be something to it. Either way, cuts, bruises and broken teeth are still
better than being dead!

Damien
GPX250 (stolen) -> CBR600

 

Damien wrote:

Sounds good in theory but if that were the case why do motogp and all
other racing class riders wear full face helmets?




--
i might just as well bend over now while the rich, dole bludgers and single
mothers take
turns fist fucking me up the arse!

Corks on a rant

 

I think you would risk it with a fullface over open face at 300kph.

I agree, the theory sounds ok, but dont believe it. Having hit the
ground at over 200 at oran, and walked away with a majorly fucked
helmet more than once.

 

Because it is stipulated in the FIM Technical Regulations...

"Helmets must be of the full face type and conform to one of the recognised
international standards: Europe: ECE 22-04 & ECE 22-05 'p' - Great Britain:
BS 6658 Grade A - USA: DOT Federal Standard n' 218/SNELL M95 & M2000"

On a race track a rider is unlikely to suffer the sorts of accidents which
might cause such injuries (i.e. hitting a solid object with helmet chinpiece).

Nev..
'03 ZX12R

 

In aus.motorcycles on Sat, 22 May 2004 00:13:53 +1000

Some years ago, there were some unexplained deaths in South Oz, and the
design of the helmet was found to be responsible.

If the chinbar hit the road at a certain angle, the chinstrap could
transmit force to the jaw thence to the spinal cord.

I believe that some helmets have the chinstrap angled differently to
deal with this.

Plus, it's still a fairly small number of crashes, you hve to hit at the
right angle.

RIding motorcycles is dangerous, you use the kit you personally feel
safe with. The more you focus on the horrible things that *might*
happen, the less fun you'll have.

Conversely, the more you are sure the kit you wear will protect you from
the consequences of your actions, the more stupid you'll be...

Zebee

 

The ground is not a solid object???????????


--
i might just as well bend over now while the rich, dole bludgers and single
mothers take
turns fist fucking me up the arse!

Corks on a rant

 

Bloody uncomfortable---wore mine to Taylors Arm and back last weekend.
Couldn't wear sunnies under it--they dug into the sides of my head and gave
me a ripper headache.
I also managed to kick it over last night and gouge the visor--have been
told by BMW dealer that neither clear or tinted visors are currently
available for the Sportsintegral.
I've found it to be incredibly noisy at speed with the chin vent or visor
cracked open (even with earplugs),and peripheral vision is almost
nonexistant--very poor compared to my old Shoei X9 or Arais.
Other than that,it's been fine...


Looking for another new helmet Pat

 

Quick--someone post a link to Rotten.com...


Detonator Pat

 

Given that most of us have actually met the ground in circumstances which we'd
have preferred not to while wearing a full face helmet, or know other people
who have, and in almost every instance we, and these people who we know who
wear full face helmets, have not sustained fatal injuries which have been
caused by the wearing of a full face helmet, then it can be taken as a given
that hitting the ground in a full face helmet does not usually constitute the
type of accident in which the circumstances might lead to fatal injuries being
inflicted by a full face helmet, so I must therefore have been talking about
some other solid objects.

Nev..
'03 ZX12R

 

my BMW one hit the ground at a great rate, the visor ripped off in one piece
and i got a face full of dirt but there was no sign of the chinbar breaking
<<< this is a VERY GOOD THING
there was quite a bit of scratching on the front of the helmet and chinbar,
similar to 'ol mateys in the pic
I would own another BMW one...and i was considering a HJC one...but maybe
not!!

 

Why would an aquatic actor in a '60's television series need a brain bucket?
Dolphins have sonar and are smart, two factors that combine into them rarely if
ever bumping into solid things.

--
// Rik Steenwinkel '85 R80ST Skippy bike
// Enschede '91 R100GS/PD The Great Unwashed
// Netherlands '90 K75C Kommutabike
// "Far away is only far away '81 MZ TS250/1+LSW Badkuip
// if you don't go there" '79 Honda XL250S TBD
// N 52.2158 E 6.88589

 

Got no argument on that but I'm sure there was some kerfuffle when BMW
wanted to import their version in the first place...'bout '83 I think.

*warning: user memory has bad sectors*