FOAK: Bugzilla anyone?

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Wicked Uncle Nigel, May 6, 2010.

  1. Wicked Uncle Nigel

    Ofnuts Guest


    Free software: the development gang tells the management what it wants,
    and downloads it. End of story.

    Paying software: enter the salesperson. Doesn't even talk to the
    developers. Needs to get management on his side. Demonstrates
    management-oriented features of the software (that usually involve more
    work from the developers). Darwinian evolution ticks in: all such
    software ends up being more management-friendly than developer-friendly.
     
    Ofnuts, May 9, 2010
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  2. Wicked Uncle Nigel

    Cab Guest

    Funnily enough, I can relate to that on hardware products.

    BTW, will be in touch tomorrow.
     
    Cab, May 9, 2010
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  3. Wicked Uncle Nigel

    Ben Guest

    If only.

    And frankly I'd be pissed if any of my developers did that. It's my
    responsibility to determine the toolset for a project, and I'll have
    thought of a lot more considerations than the developers will have
    with regard to the overall project.

    Not that in most of our environments they'd be allowed to install
    anything anyway.
     
    Ben, May 10, 2010
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  4. Wicked Uncle Nigel

    Jim Guest

    We do exactly that. Trac and SVN authentication is actually handled by
    Apache, it's quite straightforward to set up.
     
    Jim, May 10, 2010
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  5. Wicked Uncle Nigel

    Ofnuts Guest

    I'm not talking about one developer deciding to use his own pet tools.
    I'm talking about the developer gang deciding (either collectively, or
    through some lead person) what they need.
    In my galaxy developers often have to install their own standard
    development environment from a blank system, an install server, and a
    Powerpoint written by someone in the developer support team (when the
    project is big enough to warrant such a job).
     
    Ofnuts, May 10, 2010
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    Ace Guest

    Haha. Hahahahaha. Bwaahaahaha.

    Large corporations tend to launch large projects to determine future
    architecture and development environments. The development teams'
    input is always sought out, of course, and is highly valuable. But is
    also often the first thing to be ignored in the long and painful
    search to find the worst possible combination of functionality (or
    lack of) imaginable.
     
    Ace, May 10, 2010
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    CT Guest

    I was recently asked by my boss to look into Web Services, as Big Boss
    in US has decreed that's the Current Big Thing that we probably ought
    to be using.

    When I enquired as to why we were approaching it as "How can we use Web
    Services" instead of "What technology can best serve us"[1] I was told
    to JFDI.


    [1] Which may or may not be Web Services.
     
    CT, May 10, 2010
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  8. Wicked Uncle Nigel

    Jim Guest

    That leads to things like speccing an Oracle database just to do
    something trivial like store settings, on the principle that it allows
    the "we use oracle" tickbox to be checked. Customers like things to be
    enterprisey, you see.
     
    Jim, May 10, 2010
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    Krusty Guest

    We used to have a Big Boss like that, & ended up with a load of shite
    in Java as a result. Thankfully both the Big Boss & the IT Director who
    said yes are ancient history now, & it's up to me to decide which
    technologies we use.
     
    Krusty, May 10, 2010
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    Domènec Guest

    Ta, will Googlify that later.
     
    Domènec, May 10, 2010
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  11. Wicked Uncle Nigel

    Domènec Guest

    Did anyone say "Service Oriented Architecture"?
     
    Domènec, May 10, 2010
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    Switters Guest

    No. Move along.
     
    Switters, May 11, 2010
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  13. Wicked Uncle Nigel

    Ben Guest

    I dunno. I'm still struggling with calling them a "Scrum".
    Pretty much my world as well. Although our tools tend to be a little
    expensive and we have to get the client to sign off buying licences.
     
    Ben, May 11, 2010
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  14. Wicked Uncle Nigel

    Ben Guest

    SOA != WS

    For example, the current SOA I'm working with is all done through JMS
    (http://java.sun.com/products/jms/), and it works bloody well.
     
    Ben, May 11, 2010
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    Domènec Guest

    Agreed, but WS seems to be the trend in SOA.

    And I know JMS, and before the good ol' MQ Series :)
     
    Domènec, May 11, 2010
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    Hog Guest

    Whew I *really* don't miss software/application development
     
    Hog, May 11, 2010
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    darsy Guest

    I wouldn't be. Although it's "flavour of the month" at the moment,
    it's actually pretty shit.

    It's a nasty mashup of "design by committee" and plain old "making it
    up as you go along". With silly rules.
     
    darsy, May 12, 2010
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    Domènec Guest

    This saved me reading several books and meeting some evangelists.
     
    Domènec, May 12, 2010
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  19. Wicked Uncle Nigel

    darsy Guest

    fair enough. I'm used to working in a proper SDLC/ITIL environment,
    with proper checks and boundaries.
    well, "making it up as you go along" can have its place, for instance
    in prototyping/storyboarding/wireframing etc.
     
    darsy, May 12, 2010
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  20. Wicked Uncle Nigel

    darsy Guest

    no, it's shit.

    And that's not even mentioning the whole world of pain that is Sarbox
    compliance.
     
    darsy, May 12, 2010
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